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Who pays for the ding?
Probably been discussed at length in another era but here's an interesting situation.
2 guys paddling out in sizey surf at a break that should only attract capable surfers. A big set comes through and there's a mad scramble for the outside. One surfer sees the chance and swings to take a bomb. Makes the drop only to see the other surfer scratching for the shoulder. You all know the situation. Collision course. Seeing the peril, the paddler dives, abandons his board straight into the path of the surfer and ruins the wave of the day - and a couple of boards in the process. The flung board got a fin chop through to the stringer and the surfer's board got a fin taken out.
Flinger was a tourist and the surfer was a local. Words were spoken and blame apportioned.
Although there's no hard and fast rules about who is legally expected pay who is morally expected to cough up?
Is it just a hazard of the game?
Thoughts?
Oh - to add the final twist to the saga that did happen this week, both boards were borrowed.
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5 over is greater than 6 under
If someone is in in the wrong then they should open up the wallet and pay for the repair- thats the decent thing to do.
The paddler should pay. He is the one at fault here based on your observation - should not have abandoned his board like that.
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MR.SPEAKER & SUB-1000 MEMBER 4 LIFE
If the paddler has any sort of a clue, he will unreservedly apologise for his careless, dangerous action and pay up. If he has no clue, he needs to be educated accordingly.
Blowing a wave on someone is one thing but ditching your board like that is just not on. I'm sure we all have our kook-ditched-board-and-near-killed-me story.
That happened to me once. I was in the impact zone and this dude takes off on a bomb and is heading in my direction. I decide the best course of action is to sit still and he can plan a line around me. All is working well until instead of a standard top turn (which is what the wave called for) he decides a cut back is in order and heads straight for me.
I jumped off my board and dove down to avoid a sharp nose in the eye. He runs over my 2 month old CSA custom. Cutting through it like a ho tkinfe through butter not quite to the stringer.
My verdict is that if you are riding the wave you have the responsibillity not to injure another person. Those paddling in the line up must do their best to not get in the way.
My verdict for my situation. His fault. I paid.
Had the same thing happen to me it was an older local who turned turtle right in front of me.Damage words he never paid for nothing .
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
had something similar at taylors back in the day. kinda hard to fire up at a chick in tears though
Ps he had actually gone past me before cutting back
Originally posted by: J_Utah
Ps he had actually gone past me before cutting back
See in that regard, i reckon its his fault. You didn't bail and he had to have seen you.
Some people are just gonna get confrontational either way - its like driving.
*edited 02 Feb 2012 12:29
At Mud, a late drop, hollow, he was paddling out through the lineup, I cut his his board, no damage to mine, was glad I didn't cut him, offered to pay towards his board for my own good karma, then later realised he shouldn't have been paddling out through the lineup takeoff zone. He never contacted me back.
All works out.
In the first case I'd say paddler pays, but in reality its not going to happen and both surfers would just end up fixing their own.
Here's a slightly different situation.
Non local is is position and goes for a wave, local drops in further down the line, non local tries to straighten out to avoid local. Locals board cut to stringer, non locals has moderate damage to the rail. Who pays?
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-Not Johnny Blaze-
Drop in pays - doesn't matter who he is, he caused it.
If it's an option paddler should always paddle towards the white wash instead of the shoulder thus giving surfer a clear path and them getting a wee bit of a drubbing. If it was an option but they tried to save there skin and dashed for the shoulder and got in the way THEIR FAULT.
I always try to this but it can be very frustrating when your paddling out and guys keep going for waves but psying out!
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theepicboatmish.org
Did you rent out either of those boards Arch?
Originally posted by: Arch
Probably been discussed at length in another era but here's an interesting situation.
2 guys paddling out in sizey surf at a break that should only attract capable surfers. A big set comes through and there's a mad scramble for the outside. One surfer sees the chance and swings to take a bomb. Makes the drop only to see the other surfer scratching for the shoulder. You all know the situation. Collision course. Seeing the peril, the paddler dives, abandons his board straight into the path of the surfer and ruins the wave of the day - and a couple of boards in the process. The flung board got a fin chop through to the stringer and the surfer's board got a fin taken out.
Flinger was a tourist and the surfer was a local. Words were spoken and blame apportioned.
Although there's no hard and fast rules about who is legally expected pay who is morally expected to cough up?
Is it just a hazard of the game?
Thoughts?
Oh - to add the final twist to the saga that did happen this week, both boards were borrowed.
An interesting conundrum. To my mind unless the person taking the drop has lost control or tried something stupid then it's always on the person paddling out to make sure they're not in the way. If you're caught inside when a big set comes in then you generally have a reasonable amount of time to position yourself so that you don't get in anybody's way.
Some people seem to make a habit of getting in the way. Usually it's because they: 1/ don't paddle out wide enough, 2/ when they have a choice of taking the white water or scratching for the shoulder they'll go for the latter, 3/ They don't have sufficient wave knowledge to anticipate the next set, 4/ They blow a lot of drops, 5/ They lack paddle fitness, and 6/ They lack experience in heavy situations and tend to panic.
In saying all this, if I'm paddling for a large wave and there's someone obviously in a bad position in front of me then I pull back. At the end of the day there'll always be another wave and it's simply not worth getting into a tangle with another surfer.
I guess I'm saying it's probably the dude caught inside who's at fault, but the guy paddling for the wave could have always pulled back.
One final thing. If you're going to surf big board breaking waves then I suggest you don't borrow a board and also learn how to fix your own.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
F'ing whingers surf carefully fix your own dings and shut the fark up.
You all sound like a pack of bureaucratic shiny arzes.
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"A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth" - Albert Einstein
Originally posted by: humpty
I always try to this but it can be very frustrating when your paddling out and guys keep going for waves but psying out!
That really sh1ts me. You do the honourable thing and get smashed by the white-water and take a heap of waves on the head while the guy paddling for the wave drops his nuts and tea bags it.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
F'ing whingers surf carefully fix your own dings and shut the fark up.
You all sound like a pack of bureaucratic shiny arzes.
Good call Roy.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
F'ing whingers surf carefully fix your own dings and shut the fark up.
You all sound like a pack of bureaucratic shiny arzes.
Call of the week
last guy i mowed over dropped in, i didn't mind. he took the wrong line & fell anyway. fairly unavoidable from my view i fixed both, no worries.
i'd be a bit pi$$ed if my loaned board came back unrepaired tho Arch. my call in this situation would be that the kook takes the heat and learns to fix dings by force.kinda like community service.
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XXIst sentry scribe
Asseting blame to incidents in the water will seldom create any lasting obligation for payment. In the above incident I'd say both were at fault, You should never ditch a board without proper awareness of where it might end up and like Spud said the guy taking the wave could have pulled back when he realized there was a guy in the direct line of fire.
Asserting blame however is like trying to nail a guy for rucking in a game of footy - there's inherent risks in our sport of choice.
My issue would be how far do you go in making up for the fact that you've borrowed a board and seriously rooted it. I'd like to think that if I borrowed a board and it got cut to the stringer I'd replace the board. It would be tough but I don't think repairing it is enough. Minor dings not so bad but I'd still feel pretty shlte about giving something back having been damaged. Where would I draw the line though...?
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9'1" + 9ft rope = a lot of loose board if i come off
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Originally posted by: SpudOriginally posted by: Roy_Stuart
F'ing whingers surf carefully fix your own dings and shut the fark up.
You all sound like a pack of bureaucratic shiny arzes.
Good call Roy.
No not a good call ,it's coming from Roy .The tough stance does not fit at all, not from Roy.
So maybe it should be joke of the week?
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
never borrow a board unless willing to pay a replacement cost
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You bend it you mend it
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
What if you bend a fin - "Um.... it was already like that; i thought you had Pipe Fins" -
Bom ba doom dish'
Ah fark it
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www.finaltouch.co.nz Keeping your car shiny so that you can impress the ladies in the car park.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Pipe Fins
You bend it you mend it
you have been preprogrammed to fail,so take it .
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Originally posted by: SpudOriginally posted by: humpty
I always try to this but it can be very frustrating when your paddling out and guys keep going for waves but psying out!
That really sh1ts me. You do the honourable thing and get smashed by the white-water and take a heap of waves on the head while the guy paddling for the wave drops his nuts and tea bags it.
Me too spud, couldn't agree more!
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MR.SPEAKER & SUB-1000 MEMBER 4 LIFE
i know this isn't a ding but it kind of fits.
paddling out at lyall and someone who doesn't know how/is to lazy to duck dive properly gets swept backwards, and ends up with fin cutting through wetsuit (and skin but that heals itself for free)
is it my fault for being behind the guy in the first place or should he be in better control of himself and his board?
Originally posted by: biggers
i know this isn't a ding but it kind of fits.
paddling out at lyall and someone who doesn't know how/is to lazy to duck dive properly gets swept backwards, and ends up with fin cutting through wetsuit (and skin but that heals itself for free)
is it my fault for being behind the guy in the first place or should he be in better control of himself and his board?
yours to close
i rekon its also good to stay far away from people wearing helmets all care seems to go out the window
Yep - it this case you're the muppet, he probably didn't know you were there. How often do you look behind you when you're paddling out - unless of course its big and you're about to toss your board then dive to the bottom.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
F'ing whingers surf carefully fix your own dings and shut the fark up.
You all sound like a pack of bureaucratic shiny arzes.
I think all surfers should be licensed...and that we should also have insurance to cover such eventualities..
Originally posted by: Father Ted
Yep - it this case you're the muppet, he probably didn't know you were there. How often do you look behind you when you're paddling out - unless of course its big and you're about to toss your board then dive to the bottom.
at what point do u attempt to duckdive or ditch your board?
kinda like driving in a way...can't trust everyone to make the right call. best just try keeping aware imo.
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XXIst sentry scribe
Originally posted by: earwigOriginally posted by: biggers
i know this isn't a ding but it kind of fits.
paddling out at lyall and someone who doesn't know how/is to lazy to duck dive properly gets swept backwards, and ends up with fin cutting through wetsuit (and skin but that heals itself for free)
is it my fault for being behind the guy in the first place or should he be in better control of himself and his board?
yours to close
i rekon its also good to stay far away from people wearing helmets all care seems to go out the window
while i do agree with you to an extent i wasn't that close, this guy just got smashed by a wave.
If you've ever been out at lyall bay on a sunny day you'll know how crowded it gets. and when it's like that there isn't a whole lot of space where you wont be in someones way at some stage.
even worse most of them seem to wear helmets...
Originally posted by: krankOriginally posted by: Father Ted
Yep - it this case you're the muppet, he probably didn't know you were there. How often do you look behind you when you're paddling out - unless of course its big and you're about to toss your board then dive to the bottom.
at what point do u attempt to duckdive or ditch your board?
I don't remember the last time I ditched my board instead of diving. I'm picking that the likely time that I might would be if I'd been rolled and came up in a position that didn't give me time to set up for a duck dive - particularly if a set was about to land on my head at say piha bar on a low tide for example. If it's not big I'll usually grab the board near the fins and let the wave go over my head with the board upside down above me but I'm not about to let a double up set land in the middle of my board either.
I get smashed a lot trying to hold on to my board in crowded surf but I'm fortunate to have had very few dings over the years.
Don't like surfing crowds much to be honest, not good enough at hassling.
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*edited 03 Feb 2012 23:13
This is easy...The bigger guy or the guy with the most friends at the time,at the beach doesn't pay a cent
Thats ^^ what a wan#er SUP dic# head would write on here 
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
need a rating? im callin 6.5.
Thats ^^ what a wan#er SUP dic# head would write on here
Pipe Bum ?! Such open hostility! It's not my fault you have saggy man chests and no one to go surfing with,get your wallet out and pay the man
In the last 3-4 years I have noticed no body takes the inside line while paddling out. And it sucks!. They all scramble for the shoulder, leaving the surfer to maneuver around surfers instead of doing justice to the lip. But I have also noticed that many new surfers don.t get schooled on snaking anymore, and now it seems to be a common habit. NO pecking order in line ups sucks sometimes. I surfed a small reef today with me and a Sup. He was very polite ans shared the waves he could have taken all the good ones. Well done to him.
Originally posted by: Maddog2
Thats ^^ what a wan#er SUP dic# head would write on here
Pipe Bum ?! Such open hostility! It's not my fault you have saggy man chests and no one to go surfing with,get your wallet out and pay the man
What ever dude ,SURFERS RULE
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
What ever dude ,SURFERS RULE
Haha Surfers get dominated by sup's in the water..
Pipe Bum fail again
Originally posted by: The Boss
In the last 3-4 years I have noticed no body takes the inside line while paddling out. And it sucks!. They all scramble for the shoulder, leaving the surfer to maneuver around surfers instead of doing justice to the lip. But I have also noticed that many new surfers don.t get schooled on snaking anymore, and now it seems to be a common habit. NO pecking order in line ups sucks sometimes. I surfed a small reef today with me and a Sup. He was very polite ans shared the waves he could have taken all the good ones. Well done to him.
still a pecking order at bethels when the locals are our and you will be told about it and same with snaking too
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*edited 05 Feb 2012 12:35
Originally posted by: Maddog2
What ever dude ,SURFERS RULE
Haha Surfers get dominated by sup's in the water..
Fuc# off noddy when I'm riding my windy they are Fuc#ed. I can sit deeper then them out where they are
lol
Surfers do RULE on windy 's too.
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
windsurfers? bruce kendal wannabe ^
Fuc# off noddy when I'm riding my windy they are Fuc#ed. I can sit deeper then them out where they are
lol
Surfers do RULE on windy 's too.
'LOL' ??? The domain of women's abreviation there Pipe bum and a proudly open windsurfer?! Even the SUP guys would draw the line there
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*edited 05 Feb 2012 20:24
wow you two are realy thick.Here I am riding said windy surfboard at makarori point.
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
*edited 05 Feb 2012 20:28
This is it
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
*edited 05 Feb 2012 20:29
So yes I love riding a windsurfer as a surfboard cause they work very well,if you get the right kind that is.
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
good to see you are finally admitting it, plus those are not you ^
Fuc\# u ^^ are simple
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
So yes I love riding a windsurfer as a surfboard cause they work very well,if you get the right kind that is.
So you like to ride a paddle board without a paddle ?!
That was another dumb comment from u
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
That was another dumb comment from u
Fuc# off noddy when I'm riding my windy they are Fuc#ed. I can sit deeper then them out where they are
lol
So you can out paddle a SUP then ?!
You are full of gems pipebum!
No ^^^ and I dont want to
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Pipe Fins.New Zealand best,Since 2009.
*edited 06 Feb 2012 21:15
pipe get off the computer and get salty man to much negativity you should be ashamed. don't know why your on this thing all the time anyway the surf report on here is shrackt, if your such a good surfer n know all these spots you should know where's good in any conditions. disappointed.
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goldilocks
"Here I am riding said windy surfboard at makarori point" here your are or here's a photo u took?? if its you who took it?? is your ego really big enough to ask people to take your picture so you can post it on here?? not exactly shot of the day stuff
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goldilocks