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Amsterdam's post has made more sense to me than the last 3 or 4 pages of everyone else's angry man randomness.....
Originally posted by: seeka
you are also showing your ignorance of the capabilities of the HAARP weapon system.
And you are showing your ignorance of the capabilities of Radio waves....
HAARP Conspiracy [blog.taragana.com]
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Originally posted by: Lil Lurker
Amsterdam's post has made more sense to me than the last 3 or 4 pages of everyone else's angry man randomness.....
I haven't understand the last 2 pages on Random posts but to see it go 100 posts ahead of shore boys makes me feel warm all over
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The Jesse Venture thing is a bit skewed, HAARP emits EM radiation, not sound waves.
Seeka if a plane crashes into a building it *is* conceivable that some parts may bounce off the steel structure and go backwards. THere are some good vids on youtube showing explosions in Tower1 when tower 2 is struck, I should google them when I have time.
www.911research.wtc7.net is a good, no nonsense site.
If a tree falls down in the woods and no one is around to hear it- does it make a sound?
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Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: seeka
you are also showing your ignorance of the capabilities of the HAARP weapon system.
And you are showing your ignorance of the capabilities of Radio waves....
HAARP Conspiracy [blog.taragana.com]
ROFL as if you would know. That article is just unsubstantiated denial, nothing more.
What do you know about 'radio-waves' Mr I'm-an-engineer-but-physics-isn't-my-strong-point ?
Originally posted by: sir fer
yes
No, it does not. I will explain this bizzare conclusion, but it is more of a feeling than something that can be expressed in words, no matter how descriptive. With that being said, try to extract the feeling rather than the image described. That, in itself, may be the whole point of this story.
First, to pacify the scientists, yes, I understand that the laws of physics are more or less constant regardless of whether anyone is around or not. I do realize that a tree falling causes its fibers to stretch, snap, and create a tiny explosion that compresses and expands the air around it- rippling it outwards omni-directionally. And yes, an ear’s tympanic cavity would detect these ripples, pass them through sensory neurons and be interpreted- for all intents and purposes, what we call sound.
However, the question is not whether these events take place, the question is clearly whether if no one is around to hear it- does it make a sound? You may be getting ahead of me with your own conflicting statements, already contradicting what I have not even said yet. Bear with me for just a little longer.
This is an exercise of philosophy, rather than of exact state. But that is not to say; all logic and reason should be discarded. Just take it for what it is- an event with no witness. I argue that such an event does not even happen without first hand experience. Even if we were to stroll through the forest after it has fallen and view the tree’s remains scattered on the ground, and imagine as clear as our capacities would allow, the events that transpired- it still is not enough to say it has been heard.
Still, I cannot even fully envelope the feeling as a whole. I doubt this piece has made its point. So it will simply serve as a reminder to myself and those who can distance themselves from their immediate reality.
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Your text to link here... [youtube.com]
Originally posted by: Spud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1oMtwmTaNQ [youtube.com]
Possibly the most entertaining and original music video I've seen.
try this one for size
WHat nonsense.
Yes it makes a sound, always has and always will. End of story
Nice C&P btw 
I actually agree with you sir fer. Last year I read a book about music and how we hear it ... inner ear physiology, voice timbre etc etc etc. It was very interesting but a little heavy going. But the author of this book agreed with my cut and paste ... but yeah its BS. Of course it makes a f'ing sound.
Its like if you don't reply to a post that upsets you are you not rarked? Well of course you are (rarked), you're just not opening yourself up for further abuse
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Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
Cripes this jesse ventura is a bit heavy on the American eagle thing though, ...
yeah..lots of hype(guess it comes with the us realty tv trip). but truth is what he's after....and exposing.
this guy makes it easier to understand in a no bull way
http://tinyurl.com/ycdkapg [tinyurl.com]
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: seeka
you are also showing your ignorance of the capabilities of the HAARP weapon system.
And you are showing your ignorance of the capabilities of Radio waves....
HAARP Conspiracy [blog.taragana.com]
actually. i don't even recall mentioning radio waves.
besides, your link is as laughable as your link(last thread) from popular mechanics. keep posting them though, it's all working in the truthers favour.
excerpt from your last attempt and finding facts..
" The reason behind is HAARP modifies the ionosphere and, consequently, modifies the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere is said to play a vital to the stability of the tectonic plates that float on the surface of the earth."
absolute rubbish...atleast the site is living up to it's name 'simple thoughts'...the author of the article 'jayita' gives first name only..no mention of any qualifications on the subject.
i posted this before for you to look at, this guy does actually know what he's talking about and is well qualified to explain.if you had bothered to listen to him other than some 'simple thoughts' garbage then maybe you wouldn't have posted your simple thoughts in the first instance.
http://tinyurl.com/ycdkapg [tinyurl.com]
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^^^ Not a lot, the only stuff I remember doing on radio waves was from the early stages of MCSE where it was covered breifly. They're a form of electromagnetic radiation somewhere out past infrared? Used in communications, radio, radar and the one that concerns me, wireless computer networking. That's about it.
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*edited 26 Jan 2010 17:05
*edited to remove excessive jargon*
Look up how a static electric field can induce polarisation in dielectric materials. An oscillating EM field is just the same as a static one except the field is switching back and forth. Simply put a static object can feel a force in a static field due to induced polarisation (pieces of paper and a comb) scale that up and have an oscillating field and you have the potential to move or shake large objects. The ionosphere also acts as a mirror for certain wavelengths (it's how ham radio peeps transmit and receive signals over the horizon), so if you pump enough energy into the ionosphere at the right wavelengths it will come back down and hit the earth. Here endeth the lecture
Originally posted by: seeka
excerpt from your last attempt and finding facts..
" The reason behind is HAARP modifies the ionosphere and, consequently, modifies the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere is said to play a vital to the stability of the tectonic plates that float on the surface of the earth."
absolute rubbish...atleast the site is living up to it's name 'simple thoughts'...the author of the article 'jayita' gives first name only..no mention of any qualifications on the subject.
Hahaha, classic. That is the from the summary the theory of how HAARP can be used to trigger earthquakes.
At least you agree with me that it's complete rubbish. Although I note the person writing the summary of the program doesn't make any judgement, only that it's not proved yet.
From the summary:
THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES
The conspiracy theories related to HAARP is pretty much same with the entire spectrum of the imagination of conspiracy theorists.
Earthquakes: It is assumed that HAARP has the capability to cause earthquakes at practically any point on earth. The reason behind is HAARP modifies the ionosphere and, consequently, modifies the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere is said to play a vital to the stability of the tectonic plates that float on the surface of the earth. A connection between HAARP and earthquakes is not scientifically proved yet, so far it's only speculation.
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Interesting stuff sirfer, I'll take your word for it. So how much reflected energy would be required to move a tectonic plate?
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Of course it would be a lot and my idea is conceptual only but it shows that these things aren't necessarily as far out as people might think. Most people have trouble getting to grips with wifi internet so it's not surprising they don't cope well with more advanced topics. HAARP broadcasts at 3.6MW, that's the output of a hydro electric power station and would certainly dim the lights in NZ significantly, and that power would not necessarily be required to completely shift a tectonic plate, just give a fragile plate boundary a bit of a nudge and hey presto. Frankly I don't think it is very likely, because these earthquakes are happening in earthquake prone areas, but that may be the beauty of the whole scheme. My mind is however open to the possibility because I can see how it could potentially be done, without involving any shape shifting lizard people.
Originally posted by: oldscoolshot yaself in the foot there seekerOriginally posted by: seeka
excerpt from your last attempt and finding facts..
" The reason behind is HAARP modifies the ionosphere and, consequently, modifies the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere is said to play a vital to the stability of the tectonic plates that float on the surface of the earth."
absolute rubbish...atleast the site is living up to it's name 'simple thoughts'...the author of the article 'jayita' gives first name only..no mention of any qualifications on the subject.
Hahaha, classic. That is the from the summary the theory of how HAARP can be used to trigger earthquakes.
At least you agree with me that it's complete rubbish. Although I note the person writing the summary of the program doesn't make any judgement, only that it's not proved yet.
From the summary:
THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES
The conspiracy theories related to HAARP is pretty much same with the entire spectrum of the imagination of conspiracy theorists.
Earthquakes: It is assumed that HAARP has the capability to cause earthquakes at practically any point on earth. The reason behind is HAARP modifies the ionosphere and, consequently, modifies the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere is said to play a vital to the stability of the tectonic plates that float on the surface of the earth. A connection between HAARP and earthquakes is not scientifically proved yet, so far it's only speculation.
Originally posted by: oldscool
At least you agree with me that it's complete rubbish.
ummm, no, i don't agree with you that the ability to use this thing to move the earth is rubbish.
my reference was in regard to the statement i c&p'd was rubbish.
thankfully sirfer has the brains to explain it in laymans terms.
as i under stood it, it was used to create a resonance wave...which is kinda what sirfer was saying.
Originally posted by: oldscool
From this research we are to believe "they" have found a way of controlling tectonic plate movement with radio waves?
We'd have more luck if we all went over to the west coast and jumped up and down.....
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: seeka
you may live to regret that.
There's lotsa things I'm gonna live to regret, but that sure as hell won't be one.
Originally posted by: oldscool
Interesting stuff sirfer, I'll take your word for it. So how much reflected energy would be required to move a tectonic plate?
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It's not necessarily a resonance seeka (altho I wouldn't rule it out), what I am saying is that much like a statically charged comb can lift small shreds of paper with a tiny static field, a massive oscillating field has the potential ability to exert significant forces on large objects. HAARP pumps out 3.6MW, assuming for arguments sake the 1MW makes it back to Earth, that's not an insignificant amount of power to be pumping into an already fragile zone. I'm not saying that it is being done, just that the possibilty exists IMO, and that it isn't as far out as some people might imagine.
ahh, well sirfer, i can only say what dr bedige said..and he explained as being a resonance thing...he also says it can move techtonics.
i find remarkable that so many quakes recently(last coupla yrs) have been centered at a depth of 10k's..almost 100% of haiti's, china and a few other locations. i heard that the perfect depth for haarp to move the earth is somewhere between 12 & 6 k's deep.
personally, i don't think we can write off any wild ideas these days..heck, we are always learning new stuff..and man basically only knows the sum of what he's learnt so far.
did you see the clip i posted about debunking pangea?
to me..it sounds a reasonable explination. but becuase so many geologists and scientists have been set in their ways(ie, subsidence etc) quite a few don't even want to entertain the idea that earth may have formed differently than previously thought.
check it out..i'd be interested in your thoughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oBAbD8bhoM [youtube.com]
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Originally posted by: brighton_pumpsOriginally posted by: seekacheers. will have to find paint first thoughOriginally posted by: brighton_pumps
this is true seeker but i never quite grasped the picture concept unfortunatly.
it's pretty easy bp.
just copy/save the template to your pic folder, then open it in 'paint' or similar...do a picasso, 'save as', load to tinypic or similar...paste in the thread...where the heck is that thread..
should be in 'accessories'
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Point taken seeka, he is doctor of his field whereas I am a lowly graduate.
Frankly I like to rely on the work of others as little as possible. I certainly wouldn't rule out the resonance idea as it would be more effecient in terms of energy required.
someone described it as 'troops walking over a swing bridge'..when you get that vibe going. it's all about the vibe man.
did you watch the earth grow?
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Did I say that I like pie?
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Hard to beat a good pie.
Yeah seeka I've heard of the growing earth theory...you might want to look into 'the electric universe' as well.
Originally posted by: seeka
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: seeka
you may live to regret that.
There's lotsa things I'm gonna live to regret, but that sure as hell won't be one.
Originally posted by: oldscool
Interesting stuff sirfer, I'll take your word for it. So how much reflected energy would be required to move a tectonic plate?
Oh FFS, The comment about reflected energy was directed a making sirfir justify the theory. 3.6MW is hardly going to create tectonic plate movement if all it "could" do is dim the lights a little.
It's a radio wave for gods sake. Do you seriously think that a reflected radio wave from 150km up in the Ionosphere, capable of moving the earths crust is not going to knock out radio stations, airline radar, and communications in general over a large swathe of the Earths surface??
3.6MW is roughly equal to 13 million kj.
The French nuclear tests at Mururoa were in the 70 kiloton vicinity roughly equal to 150 billion kj and they didn't move the plates...
C'mon guys apply a bit of logic to it.....
blunt, seems Random Posts now has an unasailable lead over Shore Boys on the way to the ne bb's first 1000 post thread.
I think you owe me an seeka a beer.
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3.6MW is hardly going to create tectonic plate movement if all it "could" do is dim the lights a little.
By mentioning "dimming the lights" I was referring to the effect that such a power draw would have on the national grid, not the effect of the incident radiation.
Whether the radio waves knock out other facilities depends on the wavelengths and power involved, but that is a good point, there would likely be other effects that could be attributed to the reflected beam. Like I said, I don't think the idea that HAARP can cause earthquakes is very likely.
3.6MW is roughly equal to 13 million kj.
WHat? That is nonsense. 3.6MW is 3,600,000 joules per second. Watts and joules are different units. What you have said is the equivalent of "100km/h is approximately 3,611km". One is a rate and the other isn't.
The French nuclear tests at Mururoa were in the 70 kiloton vicinity roughly equal to 150 billion kj and they didn't move the plates
And they were detonated on a fault line were they?
C'mon guys apply a bit of logic to it.....
This goes both ways.
Maybe get your facts straight before you start applying your own peculiar brand of logic.
*edited 27 Jan 2010 15:11
This should be 'the old boys club who know it all posts'
Seeler what was you previous name on surf co. Your an idiot posting all this conspiracy crap, it may be real but fak its BORING.
*edited 27 Jan 2010 10:59
Originally posted by: oldscool
[blunt, seems Random Posts now has an unasailable lead over Shore Boys on the way to the ne bb's first 1000 post thread.
I think you owe me an seeka a beer.
Sure thing mate. Hows does a cold one at the Giant Cafe sometime in July sound
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more conspiracies have come to light folks..seeka may not be who he says he is.
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Never mind seeka. Keep em coming anyway. Here's one for you bro 
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Originally posted by: sir fer
WHat? That is nonsense. 3.6MW is 3,600,000 joules per second. Watts and joules are different units. What you have said is the equivalent of "100km/h is approximately 3,611km". One is a rate and the other isn't.
I just used a converter i found on the net, maybe you'd be able to make an accrate conversion for me (converting 3.6mw into kilojoules).
Like I said, I don't think the idea that HAARP can cause earthquakes is very likely.
I don't think it's very likely either. I'm certainly not ruling it out. What I am saying is that it sure as hell doesn't exist now (which is what these conspiracy guys are claiming) or any time in the forseeable future. Whether my conversion is correct or not matters little. The point is, I don't beleieve mankind has the capacity to generate that amount of energy via a radio wave.
And they were detonated on a fault line were they?.
Didn't need to be, it didn't even manage to knock the coral of the side of the Atoll
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Originally posted by: Blunt
Sure thing mate. Hows does a cold one at the Giant Cafe sometime in July sound
I'll look forward to that.
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Originally posted by: oldscool
I just used a converter i found on the net, maybe you'd be able to make an accrate conversion for me (converting 3.6mw into kilojoules).
Like i said they are different units, dimensionally different in fact. The best I could do is say that 3.6MW is 3,600kW. Let me repeat, Watts are joules per second, joules are joules. You might as well ask me to convert km/hour into miles. To get the total energy in joules or kJ, you would have to know the time involved. I don't know what that converter you used but the result you got makes absolutely no sense.
Didn't need to be, it didn't even manage to knock the coral of the side of the Atoll
Really? Were you there? I've seen footage of the events and I bet there was a fair bit of coral knocked about
Originally posted by: Blunt
Never mind seeka. Keep em coming anyway. Here's one for you bro
cheers man, i'll just stick it the fridge till midday then go out and sit in the sun and enjoy it with lunch.
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Originally posted by: oldscool
What I am saying is that it sure as hell doesn't exist now (which is what these conspiracy guys are claiming) or any time in the forseeable future. Whether my conversion is correct or not matters little. The point is, I don't beleieve mankind has the capacity to generate that amount of energy via a radio wave.
i'm not sure how you can claim 'it sure as hell doesn't exist now'?
do you know something we don't?
Originally posted by: oldscool
Didn't need to be, it didn't even manage to knock the coral of the side of the Atoll
if you look on google earth around the islands where nuke testing was done you can see huge holes in atolls.
not saying it was nukes..
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Originally posted by: seeka
i'm not sure how you can claim 'it sure as hell doesn't exist now'?
do you know something we don't?
So you beleive that the US government (in conjunction with the University of Alaska) has developed a method to cause the Earth's crust to move using radio waves reflected off the ionosphere?
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700, make that 2 beers blunt.
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Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: seeka
i'm not sure how you can claim 'it sure as hell doesn't exist now'?
do you know something we don't?
So you beleive that the US government (in conjunction with the University of Alaska) has developed a method to cause the Earth's crust to move using radio waves reflected off the ionosphere?
you answered me with a question.
how about you answer my question..then i'll answer yours.
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I wouldn't hold your breath seeka.
Probably why the state of engineering education in this country is what it is. I have a mate who's a draughtsman and he gets given plans from engineers that aren't even physically feasible. Says a lot really.
and the circles get smaller.......
Anyway, I'll leave you to it.
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Originally posted by: oldscool
and the circles get smaller.......
Anyway, I'll leave you to it.
speaks volumes.
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It wasn't going anywhere. You seem hell bent on beleiveing anything you find on tinytoons url without questioning if some of it is even remotely possible. I eagerly await your next installment from the fringe.
Whatever happened to the microchipped mexican police you warned us about?
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And you seem hell bent on trying to prove your points with nonsense.
I eagerley await the next installment from the 'mainstream'
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Originally posted by: oldscool
It wasn't going anywhere. You seem hell bent on beleiveing anything you find on tinytoons url without questioning if some of it is even remotely possible. I eagerly await your next installment from the fringe.
Whatever happened to the microchipped mexican police you warned us about?
well, it can hardly go anywhere if you can't be a$$ed answering any questions on your bold claims.
i dunno what happened to the mexicans. i guess at the mo they'll be having siesta.
why? do you want me to go and find out just so you can shoot it down, make some uninformed comment then run off again?
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looks like you're too late seeka...
*edited 27 Jan 2010 16:05
getting used to now sir fer.
oldscool rabbited on for hrs in his last thread about no proof of thermite and practically demanded proof...which i provided(or at least it was scientists that had proved it, and since then thermite has been found in the dust, dust which was once solid concrete)...then he bailed and couldn't sum up the nuts to admit he was wrong about there being no proof...in fact, he never posted again in his own thread.
instead we get the lame 'circles are getting smaller'
like i said...speaks volumns.
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check the geeks, all together, like they should be.
Originally posted by: seeka
getting used to now sir fer.
like i said...speaks volumes.
The funniest bit was when he claimed to be an engineer but that physics wasn't his strong point.
Originally posted by: seeka
getting used to now sir fer.
oldscool rabbited on for hrs in his last thread about no proof of thermite and practically demanded proof...which i provided(or at least it was scientists that had proved it, and since then thermite has been found in the dust, dust which was once solid concrete)...then he bailed and couldn't sum up the nuts to admit he was wrong about there being no proof...in fact, he never posted again in his own thread.
instead we get the lame 'circles are getting smaller'
like i said...speaks volumns.
I thought you said you weren't going to get personal?
As for the thermite stuff, weren't you going to limit that to your other thread?
If you really want here's a link to the thermite information.
Thermite [debunking911.com]
Other than that maybe you should haul on over to citizenparanoid.net.....
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Originally posted by: bionic chronic
check the geeks, all together, like they should be.
I can't believe how every thread now gets taken over by conspiracy bullsh*t- all trying to out "speed google" each other.
I've tried to de-rail each and every thread.... but they just come back stronger.
Maybe God was right after all when he said... the Geeks shall inherit the Earth.
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I don't beleieve mankind has the capacity to generate that amount of energy via a radio wave.
And yet you believe that men were landed on the moon using a computer the size of a small pocket calculator.
Who would have thought that so much power could be generated by splitting an eensy weensy atom, prior to it happening ? I bet you wouldn't have, you would have offered Einstein a tin foil hat and laughed him off !
Let's face it oldschool, you base your beliefs on a style of information rather than by evaluating the content. You base your beliefs on faith in the official line ( quite blindly) and then scurry around to justify your assumptions after the fact
You can take comfort in the fact that you are in the majority . . . peope like you believe fervently in the majority concept.
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Ah, no Roy, I evaluate the content then draw a conclusion.
My conclusion on the HAARP theory is that mankind can't generate that amount of energy via a radio wave. I didn't say it couldn't be done. Just that it can't be done now, which is what is being claimed.
Lets face it Roy, you are predisposed to believeing piffle posted on the internet without stopping to think about it.
When seeka made the post regarding the Mexican police microchipping your reaction was "that's not good"
No questioning of where this information came from, weather it was reliable, no other qualification of the information or if it was merely someone posting bollocks on the net.
And you tell me my belief system is out of touch?
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Originally posted by: 2020
Maybe God was right after all when he said... the Geeks shall inherit the Earth.
i could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but i think it was..the geeks will inherit the lan.
Originally posted by: oldscool
I thought you said you weren't going to get personal?
yeah , If you can't take it then don't give it.
Originally posted by: oldscool
No questioning of where this information came from, weather it was reliable, no other qualification of the information or if it was merely someone posting bollocks on the net.
And you tell me my belief system is out of touch?
wow! lets all spell hypocrite, when you posted the nist link i asked you which version it was, 1st,2nd,3rd or 4th...which you ignored.
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Originally posted by: oldscoolthey cant help it oldschool, all conspiracy theorists are the same. Good old sirfer with his paper degree thinks hes gods gift to physics and engineering. Like u say leave them too it, they dismiss anything that goes against there beliefs.Originally posted by: seeka
getting used to now sir fer.
oldscool rabbited on for hrs in his last thread about no proof of thermite and practically demanded proof...which i provided(or at least it was scientists that had proved it, and since then thermite has been found in the dust, dust which was once solid concrete)...then he bailed and couldn't sum up the nuts to admit he was wrong about there being no proof...in fact, he never posted again in his own thread.
instead we get the lame 'circles are getting smaller'
like i said...speaks volumns.
I thought you said you weren't going to get personal?
As for the thermite stuff, weren't you going to limit that to your other thread?
If you really want here's a link to the thermite information.
Thermite [debunking911.com]
Other than that maybe you should haul on over to citizenparanoid.net.....
*edited 27 Jan 2010 17:42
Originally posted by: oldscoolprepare to be triple teamed with BS oldschool. oh dear roys got the moon landing out again
*edited 27 Jan 2010 16:57
Ah, no Roy, I evaluate the content then draw a conclusion.
My conclusion on the HAARP theory is that mankind can't generate that amount of energy via a radio wave. I didn't say it couldn't be done. Just that it can't be done now, which is what is being claimed.
Lets face it Roy, you are predisposed to believeing piffle posted on the internet without stopping to think about it.
When seeka made the post regarding the Mexican police microchipping your reaction was "that's not good"
No questioning of where this information came from, weather it was reliable, no other qualification of the information or if it was merely someone posting bollocks on the net.
And you tell me my belief system is out of touch?
haha sometimes, this^ makes me laugh, roy analyses the living crap out of statements and then boom and then its all deeniiii deeeniii from the other member then the final claim of 'roy is mad' and i am right. I could make a formula out of this and call it 'roys law'. I want to derive the rark from that equation..