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Originally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 15 Sep 2010 15:34Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
Incorrect Roy.
Ireland joined the EU (known as the European Economic Community) in 1973, following a 1972 referendum where 83% of Irish voters elected to join.
The referendum was against the Lisbon Treaty.
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Correct. The recent referenda were about the Lisbon Treaty - a controversial reform package, which was rejected by Irish voters in 2008, and then accepted 67 to 33% in 2009 after some changes regarding guarantees that pro-life laws would be respected (clearly a huge issue in Ireland)
So...
voters elect to join the EEC (predecessor to the EU) in 1972... which happens
voters elect not to adopt the Lisbon Treaty in 2008... it is not adopted
voters elect to adopt it in 2009 after significant alteration... and it is adopted
How exactly is democracy not at work here Roy?
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*edited 15 Sep 2010 15:55
Originally posted by: dr_surf
As for your opinions about the Lisbon Treaty referenda - there were two votes put to the public, and both times the public got what they wanted. Your statement that the Lisbon Treaty shows that democracy does not exist in the EU is therefore incorrect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtKcEszcy0 [youtube.com]
Democracy can be subverted in many ways. . . massive scientific marketing campaigns being one of them.
The political leaders control the outcome.
More than one issue, single party, lying politicians etc - that is a seperate issue
No it isn't.
The means by which so called democracy is undermined in favour of bureacratic fascism are many and must not be ignored.
and your argument there could probably be applied to any supposedly democratic system. In many instances I suspect I would agree with you.
The fact that the syndrome exists in all so called democracies shows us that democracy is endangered worldwide and does not detract fromn the argument regarding democracy or the lack of it in any individual nation.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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How exactly can you justify this statement Roy? The Treaty of Lisbon (entered into force in 2009) specifically bans eugenics.
How ingenuous you are !
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Whether or not I am ingenuous is irrelevant.
Again - how can you justify your statement?
It's entirely relevant.
The point is that you believe that they have 'banned' eugenics, whereas I believe that they are lying and are engaging in eugenics every day under different names.
For example their claim that they forsesee the possibility of nuclear first strikes can be seen as eugenics.
The reason why I am not attempting to justify my conclusions to you is that we do not have a common notion of what constitues evidence.
For example you have shown that you think it is possibe to refute a statement by saying that it comes from a conspiracy site. As long as you still think that that's logical then there's no point in trying to justify anything to you.
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Better be careful dude, what you've written there could be close to defaming the EU! Heaven forbid this thread get deleted, this is just getting interesting.
Can you provide ANY evidence, from ANY source, that the EU is lying and engaging in eugenics every day under different names?
As for nuclear first strikes being a form of eugenics - WTF???!?! Who exactly do you think the EU is likely to nuke, and how would it be eugenics?
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*edited 15 Sep 2010 16:21
Originally posted by: dr_surf
Can you provide ANY evidence, from ANY source, that the EU is lying and engaging in eugenics every day under different names?
As mentioned previously, until you get over your contention that evidence of conspiracies is aurtomatically invalid because it comes ( by definition) from conspiracy sources which are deemed by you to be invalid sources ( a circular argument ) then there is absolutely no point in attempting to prove anything to you.
As for nuclear first strikes being a form of eugenics - WTF???!?! Who exactly do you think the EU is likely to nuke, and how would it be eugenics?
Since the Lisbon Treaty the EU have been tied on security and military issues to the policies of NATO.
One of NATO's policies is to retain the right to make pre emptive nuclear strikes or first strikes.
If enacted such a policy would be genocidal and therefore eugenecist in the extreme.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
Better be careful dude, what you've written there could be close to defaming the EU!
It is only possible to defame individuals or corporations ( which are legally 'people')
Are you saying that the EU is a corporation ?
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 15 Sep 2010 15:27Originally posted by: oldscool
Where did he say he wanted it forced on the entire population of the world. Once again an invalid appeal to probability.
Scab said "I'm 100% for this":
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will"
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I don't see any reference to fascism in there any more that I see reference to democracy. So, still an invalid appeal to probability.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 15 Sep 2010 16:21
Originally posted by: dr_surf
Can you provide ANY evidence, from ANY source, that the EU is lying and engaging in eugenics every day under different names?
As mentioned previously, until you get over your contention that evidence of conspiracies is aurtomatically invalid because it comes ( by definition) from conspiracy sources which are deemed by you to be invalid sources ( a circular argument ) then there is absolutely no point in attempting to prove anything to you.
As for nuclear first strikes being a form of eugenics - WTF???!?! Who exactly do you think the EU is likely to nuke, and how would it be eugenics?
Since the Lisbon Treaty the EU have been tied on security and military issues to the policies of NATO.
One of NATO's policies is to retain the right to make pre emptive nuclear strikes or first strikes.
If enacted such a policy would be genocidal and therefore eugenecist in the extreme.
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IF ENACTED....
Currently the EU hasn't nuked anybody, despite several of the EU nations having nukes since the 1950s. Therefore this is not an argument that eugenics is alive and well in the EU. Any country with nukes has a first strike capability regardless of whether it is written down in a charter or not.
As I said, can you provide ANY evidence from ANY source?
Currently your statements seem to be little more than propaganda sound bites.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
...but don't get the thread deleted
I hope not!
Better get another ream of paper spud.
And maybe one of those supersize ink cartridges...
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I seem to recall when you and I had an argument about vaccination a year or so ago you doubted the validity of the sources of evidence I presented (numerous claims of 'bunkum' etc) but I presented it anyway so it could be judged on its merits, or otherwise.
Why are you unwilling to do the same?
Is it because you have no evidence to support your claims?
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
As I said, can you provide ANY evidence from ANY source?
roy's problem is that he can make no distinction between Global Government and Fascism. He seems completely unaware of the concept of co-operative democracy and is holding out for a nirvana solution, which is an argumentative fallacy.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
I seem to recall when you and I had an argument about vaccination a year or so ago you doubted the validity of the sources of evidence I presented (numerous claims of 'bunkum' etc) but I presented it anyway so it could be judged on its merits, or otherwise.
Incorrect.
I have not used the notion of an invalid source as a means of argument against a proposition.
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*edited 15 Sep 2010 16:56
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: dr_surf
As I said, can you provide ANY evidence from ANY source?
roy's problem is that he can make no distinction between Global Government and Fascism.
I don't have a problem.
At present global government and fascism are synonymous.
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So let's see your sources then...
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I've been thinking how we're going to implement this NWO spud and I think for a start we should have a single global currency. Get rid of all the oddball little currency systems (your schillings and your bhat and your drachmas). It'd make things much simpler.
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Originally posted by: oldscool
roy's . . . is holding out for a nirvana solution, which is an argumentative fallacy.
Incorrect on both counts.
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Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 15 Sep 2010 15:27Originally posted by: oldscool
Where did he say he wanted it forced on the entire population of the world. Once again an invalid appeal to probability.
Scab said "I'm 100% for this":
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will"
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I don't see any reference to fascism in there any more that I see reference to democracy. So, still an invalid appeal to probability.
Global government is synonymous with fascism.
Probability has nothing to do with it.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
So let's see your sources then...
You've missed the point yet again.
As long as you continue to say that material is invalid because the source is supposedly invalid, and then define an invalid source as one which supplies material which you don't agree with ( a circular argument which you use frequently) then it is pointless to attempt to provide evidence.
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Originally posted by: oldscool
I've been thinking how we're going to implement this NWO spud and I think for a start we should have a single global currency. Get rid of all the oddball little currency systems (your schillings and your bhat and your drachmas). It'd make things much simpler.
( Oldschool puffs himself up with the fantasy that he's implementing the NWO )
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
So let's see your sources then...
You've missed the point yet again.
As long as you continue to say that material is invalid because the source is supposedly invalid, and then define an invalid source as one which supplies material which you don't agree with ( a circular argument which you use frequently) then it is pointless to attempt to provide evidence.
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I haven't missed your point Roy.
But I do think that you sticking to this line is a convenient way of avoiding having to provide any evidence for your Bullsh1t Bulletins.
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Roy, if any of your prophecies are ever proven to be correct - I'll buy one of your overpriced surfboards (paid for in euros, fuks, or whatever the currency is after The Revolution)
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
So let's see your sources then...
You've missed the point yet again.
As long as you continue to say that material is invalid because the source is supposedly invalid, and then define an invalid source as one which supplies material which you don't agree with ( a circular argument which you use frequently) then it is pointless to attempt to provide evidence.
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I haven't missed your point Roy.
But I do think that you sticking to this line is a convenient way of avoiding having to provide any evidence for your Bullsh1t Bulletins.
Not at all.
If you got the point you'll realise that what you have been doing is saying that there can be no evidence of conspiracies because all such evidence is invalid due to the fact that sources which present it are invalid due to the content.
Thus there's no point in presenting any evidence until you agree not to claim that it is invalid because of the source.
If you agree that's good.. .. expect to be bombarded by content from Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, Nigel Farage, Bob Chapman, Webster Tarpley, Christopher Monckton, Catherine Austin Fitts, Jesse Ventura, Paul Joseph Watson, Mike Rivero and others of similar bent !
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
Roy, if any of your prophecies are ever proven to be correct - I'll buy one of your overpriced surfboards (paid for in euros, fuks, or whatever the currency is after The Revolution)
Only if you promise not to inject the board with thimerosol
You'd better stock up on Gold, Silver, and Molasses then !
If inflation takes off the price will be in ounces of Gold, but still tied to solfeggio frequencies.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
I'm not going to watch the Obama Deception - it would be 114 minutes of my life I'd never get back.
thats a shame..because quite a few of your questions so far could have been answered by watching...hence saving you the time spent here looking for answers.
so, you wasted your time here and got no answers yet you won't bother to help yourself and answer your own questions.
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Zigackly Seeka.
I think that the problem is that Dr Surf's self image might be dented if he visited a 'conspiracy' site.
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there is also the stigma attached to anyone who questions anything that could remotely be associated with a conspiracy.
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"There are three totally different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways, interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a steppingstone from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2...These two additional chromosomes change everything."
According to Melchezedek, our planet is covered with geometrically constructed 'morpho genetic grids'. These grids extend from about 60 feet under the Earth's surface to about 60 miles above the Earth, arranged in geometric patterns (see 'Sacred Geometry'). Each species has its own grid, which supports life, and connects the consciousness of its particular species. Before any species can come into existence or make an evolutionary step, a new grid must be completed. When a species becomes extinct, that particular species' grid dissolves.
A new grid was completed in 1989 - the 'christ-consciousness' grid. This grid will allow humans to evolve into our next version. We'll develop two additional chromosomes (which are really 'geometrical images' designed to resonate with our specific grid) for a total or 46 + 2.
The main change will be a shift to the "unity consciousness". Every cell in your body has its own consciousness and memory. You, the higher being that occupies your body, make the millions of different consciousnesses in your body work together as one being. How does this relate to this grid? Think of yourself as a cell and the grid as the higher being. We will still have individual consciousness, but will be united in the form of a higher being in order to work as one entity."
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Originally posted by: seekaOriginally posted by: dr_surf
I'm not going to watch the Obama Deception - it would be 114 minutes of my life I'd never get back.
thats a shame..because quite a few of your questions so far could have been answered by watching...hence saving you the time spent here looking for answers.
so, you wasted your time here and got no answers yet you won't bother to help yourself and answer your own questions.
Seeka - the irony of this has been that I don't actually care a great deal about all this stuff (coming from the standpoint, of course, that to me it is all paranoid BS until proven otherwise)... I have quite enough going on in the real world to keep me busy - this thread is mostly idle amusement.
My agenda has been attempting to make Roy produce some evidence to back up the outlandish statements he makes, instead of pronouncing them as though they are incontrovertible fact then pouring scorn and personal insults on those who question him while refusing to provide evidence for his statements.
Such is what passes for entertainment in the internet age.
As it happens -
Roy!
You have given me some names!
Time for a bit of light reading - i do love fiction
ps Roy - don't open the thiomersal can of worms, please
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: seekaOriginally posted by: dr_surf
I'm not going to watch the Obama Deception - it would be 114 minutes of my life I'd never get back.
thats a shame..because quite a few of your questions so far could have been answered by watching...hence saving you the time spent here looking for answers.
so, you wasted your time here and got no answers yet you won't bother to help yourself and answer your own questions.
Seeka - the irony of this has been that I don't actually care a great deal about all this stuff (coming from the standpoint, of course, that to me it is all paranoid BS until proven otherwise)... I have quite enough going on in the real world to keep me busy - this thread is mostly idle amusement.
well, you cared enough to spend time here..time which could have been better spent watching the movie..but i digress.
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What he's saying is that he's just engaging in a rark.
I suspected as much.
I'm certainly not going to discuss serious matters any further with someone who considers it 'idle amusement'
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
Roy's not your secretary Jabes
With those legs he should be
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*edited 16 Sep 2010 00:22
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
You are a fascist because you are wanting a single global government, which will force itself upon the entire population of the world. That is fascist.
i want no such thing
i think your NWO concept is about as real as unicorns
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 15 Sep 2010 15:27Originally posted by: oldscool
Where did he say he wanted it forced on the entire population of the world. Once again an invalid appeal to probability.
Scab said "I'm 100% for this":
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will"
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Sorry roy you little fascist liar i said
I'm 100% for this
One planet
One Humanity
One people working together
Not in Alpha male competition
but for a better outcome for our children
not for our comfort today
nor for tiny minds with big egos .
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NWO a concept brought to you by the people who see the "glass half empty and a bit dirty"
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
I love how you think you have something worthy to say scab, like a five year old at show and tell. yeah we believe you scab, what a great story. I mean that sincerely.
Originally posted by: bionic chronic
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*edited 16 Sep 2010 08:46
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
What he's saying is that he's just engaging in a rark.
I suspected as much.
I'm certainly not going to discuss serious matters any further with someone who considers it 'idle amusement'
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"Serious matters"...
Like a 50 year plus monolithic global conspiracy incorporating fascism, communism, and globalism, and dedicated to a New World Order of centralised power, removal of individual liberties, global slavery, a global plantation, illegal eugenics, war (both hot and cold), and perhaps a nuclear first strike on Putaruru (clearly the heart of the resistance!
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If these people have been working on their agenda since before JFK...
and their greatest achievement is an evil EU where half of Poland is now serving coffee and cleaning toilets in the UK...
they're perhaps a bit useless aren't they?
Doesn't sound very serious to me.
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Originally posted by: Surfscab
i want no such thing
i think your NWO concept is about as real as unicorns
It's not my concept it's the stated aim of many of the world's most powerful politicians.
You have your head in the sand, and your one planet one humanity aim is going hand in hand with NWO concepts like 'following United Nations directives'.
If you left the co operation idea to individual choice I'd be happy with it.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
If these people have been working on their agenda since before JFK...
and their greatest achievement is an evil EU where half of Poland is now serving coffee and cleaning toilets in the UK...
It isn't. . . you are blind and illogical, not a good combination.
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*edited 16 Sep 2010 09:12
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
If you left the co operation idea to individual choice I'd be happy with it.
I'm all for individual choice
where do i say i'm not ?
i have as little as possible to do with any sort of governance !
And All the NWO concept is ....is a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything !
Imagine back 200 years........ ~~~~~~~~~~~~
Life would have been a lot less full of freedom
I consider modern society flawed in a multitude of ways but
Now is all we have
so i'll enjoy my half full glass
Now imagine this photo
with no sand
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google in its place
NWO ?
get your head out of the net and into life !
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i'll join any cause that provides firearms
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Originally posted by: Surfscab
*edited 16 Sep 2010 09:12Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
If you left the co operation idea to individual choice I'd be happy with it.
I'm all for individual choice
where do i say i'm not ?
You were criticising a nation recently for not following UN directives.
i have as little as possible to do with any sort of governance !
Were you not planning to become a candidate for local government recently ?
Not that there's anything wrong with that ( I'm in favour of local government myself ) but isn't the council a form of government ?
And All the NWO concept is ....is a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything !
Incorrect, it's the stated and already partly achieved aim of many of the world's most powerful politicians and organisations.
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would you be open to shaving your legs if you became my secretary Roy?
P.s Google bought up no data about referendum numbers in france/netherlands etc
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Just becuase there isn't a NWO party doesnt mean its not headed towards the concept. there's plenty of people who think its a good idea. people on here to it seems.
roy is stating that it is already headed towards it. how one can actually disagree with that is strange.
i find it odd how people here take so much of whats said by leaders etc as truth. its like how everyone truely beleives in the terror of the reccesion when a lot of work places just used it to their advantage.
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Originally posted by: Surfscab
And All the NWO concept is ....is a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything !
incorrect
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well, i watched a bit on telly last eve about the VC thing. i took scooters advice and skipped the 6m 66 sec part....just incase.
then, whilst sipping on my full cup of tea i witness what appeared to be a docter get totally owned.
strikes me as amusing that a profession which was basically(as i see it) built on experimentation are unwilling to experiment with alternatives...fairly narrow minded imo, but that comes as no surprise really. he(the dr) pretty much summed it like our own dr_surf did 'no money in it for drug co's'
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ie..money over life..
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Originally posted by: seekaOriginally posted by: Surfscab
And All the NWO concept is ....is a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything !
incorrect
sure seems correct
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
You were criticising a nation recently for not following UN directives.
In some cases the UN is Bang On
The UN never gave the okay to invade Iraq
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Were you not planning to become a candidate for local government recently ?
Not that there's anything wrong with that ( I'm in favour of local government myself ) but isn't the council a form of government ?
i had floated the idea and like you decided against it
due to personal reasons not political ones
tho i do hate politics
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Incorrect, it's the stated and already partly achieved aim of many of the world's most powerful politicians and organisations.
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Seems they have 'partially achieved' Fu(k all in 50 years
I'm happy with mediocrity
but if i was Backing the NWO
i'd label them blatant under achievers in every way!
and ask for a new new world order to be set up!
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*edited 16 Sep 2010 10:14
Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: seekaOriginally posted by: Surfscab
And All the NWO concept is ....is a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything !
incorrect
sure seems correct
Incorrect.
Pessimists say 'there's nothing which can be done about it'. . . . . I don't, I'm confident that we'll win.
Fatalists say 'what will be will be, it's all been written in advance'. . . . . I don't !
Whiners make a whining noise, I don't !
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Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Incorrect, it's the stated and already partly achieved aim of many of the world's most powerful politicians and organisations.
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Seems they have 'partially achieved' Fu(k all in 50 years
Take the blinkers off, we are a long way down the road to fascism already.
The usual procedure is depression to fascism to war.
I'm happy with mediocrity
Tragic
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Originally posted by: seeka
well, i watched a bit on telly last eve about the VC thing. i took scooters advice and skipped the 6m 66 sec part....just incase.
then, whilst sipping on my full cup of tea i witness what appeared to be a docter get totally owned.
strikes me as amusing that a profession which was basically(as i see it) built on experimentation are unwilling to experiment with alternatives...fairly narrow minded imo, but that comes as no surprise really. he(the dr) pretty much summed it like our own dr_surf did 'no money in it for drug co's'
i dont think the actual doctors are the one who do the testing tho these days, in most countries that would equal a lawsuit. So if something hasnt been proven by a medical researcher you cant really blame your DR for not trying it when its un proven treatment.
You wouldnt expect your mechanic to try a new method to fix your car that potentially could break it even more but then might just fix it as it worked on one or 2 other cars in another place
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the key to huge shifts in policy is time. if 50 years ago some of things being pushed through today had of been attempted there would have been huge protests etc etc. the best approach is to just steadily move ahead small step at a time.
mining is an example, they saw a window where people were gloomy about the reccesion so thought they would test the waters. they were wrong and people got pushed a little buit too far. you watch i bet they will move slowly towards it again and next time less people will kick up a fuss and the policy will go through
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: oldscool
roy's . . . is holding out for a nirvana solution, which is an argumentative fallacy.
Incorrect on both counts.
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Actually, yep, you are half right there.
You wouldn't be satisfied with a Nirvana solution.
But it is still a fallacy of argument.
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*edited 16 Sep 2010 10:22
Originally posted by: Jabes
i dont think the actual doctors are the one who do the testing tho these days, in most countries that would equal a lawsuit. So if something hasnt been proven by a medical researcher you cant really blame your DR for not trying it when its un proven treatment.
You wouldnt expect your mechanic to try a new method to fix your car that potentially could break it even more but then might just fix it as it worked on one or 2 other cars in another place
if m,y car was on it's last legs and the mechanic said 'it's over', then i'd be likely to get a second opinion first.
if it was my life on the line and the dr's said 'it's all over for you' then i would defiantly seek another opinion and would try anything..tested or not..afterall i'd have nothing to lose.
it's only an 'unproven' treatment because we have one sector saying so...that doesn't make it so.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: oldscool
I've been thinking how we're going to implement this NWO spud and I think for a start we should have a single global currency. Get rid of all the oddball little currency systems (your schillings and your bhat and your drachmas). It'd make things much simpler.
( Oldschool puffs himself up with the fantasy that he's implementing the NWO )
HaHa, where's your sense of humour roy.
What do you think about having a single global currency?
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Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: seekaOriginally posted by: Surfscab
And All the NWO concept is ....is a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything !
incorrect
sure seems correct
it may seem that way to you, but it's incorrect.
all the world leaders who have called for a NWO don't appear to me to be "a bunch of pessimists and fatalist whiners getting together picking holes in everything"
actually from what i've seen and heard from the world leaders is the exact opposite of what you say...they appear to be optimistic and i didn't see them picking holes in everything.
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XXIst sentry scribe
also i think doctors could quite easily suggest other herbal treatments that have no negative effects. espicially for colds etc rather than busting out the antibiotics
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*edited 16 Sep 2010 10:34
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: oldscool
I've been thinking how we're going to implement this NWO spud and I think for a start we should have a single global currency. Get rid of all the oddball little currency systems (your schillings and your bhat and your drachmas). It'd make things much simpler.
( Oldschool puffs himself up with the fantasy that he's implementing the NWO )
HaHa, where's your sense of humour roy.
Right there, I was making a joke
What do you think about having a single global currency?
A bad idea, although I'd like to see physical gold and silver used more as an unofficial global gcurrency.
How do you feel about a global uniform ?
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