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*edited 14 Sep 2010 17:54
Originally posted by: SpudOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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Incorrect.
Incorrect yourself, as I can report with 100% certainty that the statement is an expression of my opinion
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Your opinion is incorrect.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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Que?
Please explain Roy. This statement is truly out there!
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you .
Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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Que?
Please explain Roy. This statement is truly out there!
Sorry there was a typo in the word 'eugenicist'.
Which part would you like me to explain ?
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Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
Originally posted by: Spud
Your opinion is incorrect.
incorrect.
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Originally posted by: downsouth
Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
Incorrect.
Spud can say that I'm incorrect, the proof of this is that he just did.
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Originally posted by: downsouth
Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
Incorrect.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: Spud
Your opinion is incorrect.
incorrect.
Incorrect.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: downsouth
Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
Incorrect.
Spud can say that I'm incorrect, the proof of this is that he just did.
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Correct.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
By the way, that's a pretty sweet avatar Roy. What is it?
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: downsouth
Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you .
Sos your face
Originally posted by: Spud
By the way, that's a pretty sweet avatar Roy. What is it?
A painting of the Sun.
Inspiration for the 19 foot 'Olo of the Sun' I'm building. . . have just finished the deck panel
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: downsouth
Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
Downsouth showing sloppy thinking: DEMONIC does not mean 'is a demon' it means 'like a demon' or 'inspired by a demon'.
I didn't say that they are demons I said that they are demonic.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: downsouth
Spud you can't call someones opinion incorrect. Roy may have information proving they are actually demons.
Downsouth showing sloppy thinking: DEMONIC does not mean 'is a demon' it means 'like a demon' or 'inspired by a demon'.
I didn't say that they are demons I said that they are demonic.
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Actually Roy I was taking the pi55 and thought it was obvious. But I don't mind being called on it grammatically if thats what ya need to do.
All good in the hood
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
The European Union for example.
A wonderful idea and long overdue.
It's what, like 12-15 nations co-operating on things like human rights, foreign aid, healthcare, consumer protection, agricultural policy, law and order, police and judicial co-operation, monetary policy.....
A real backward step.
That'd be why there's countries lining up to get in.
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
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Politics . . plenty of Hopium to go around .
O. S if this globalization is such a "wonderfull" idea.
(of the wikipedia)
"In 2002 Rockefeller authored his autobiography “Memoirs” wherein, on page 405, Mr. Rockefeller writes: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Can you put a different perspective on this ?
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Politics . . plenty of Hopium to go around .
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."
---David Rockefeller, statement about Mao Tse-tung in The New York Times, August 10, 1973
Really? Millions of people died tortured executed 40 to 70 million. And he calls it the most importand and succesfull in history. I don't know. You think we might be dealing with a lunatic Here ? " What ever the the price was "? ?
I don't know you really need to dig deeper to find out what these orchestrators, what kind of people these are all about. If you want to find the truth.
Do i need to say that Mao's regime was communistic which is synonymous to repression Supression and destruction of religion and religious freedom . And basically destruction ; knowledge there of of the human soul. That's what kind of people you're dealing with. But rockerfeller well he thinks it's pretty cool. "Great succes".
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Politics . . plenty of Hopium to go around .
PFS
I 100% agree with Rockefeller about the cultural revolution read what you quoted you google monkey he never said it was a 100% successful social experiment just that the results of "producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose." were achieved.
Tao and Confucianism are still practiced to this day 50 odd years after the revolution by roughly 100% of the population of china hardly repressed, suppressed or destructed when compared to the destruction that has happened to every freedom in the rest of the free world where religions are dying like flies
You never mention the 100 million jews who died during the second world war so that you could mouth off at the institutions (UN) put in place to ensure that there was little chance of a Holocaust happening again
no like a good Forth reich Nazi
you just back the Anti jew
anti NWO concept
because you cant dig deep you can only google
baaaaa Baaaaa bAAAAA
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."
---David Rockefeller, statement about Mao Tse-tung in The New York Times, August 10, 1973
Really? Millions of people died tortured executed 40 to 70 million. And he calls it the most importand and succesfull in history. I don't know. You think we might be dealing with a lunatic Here ? " What ever the the price was "? ?
I don't know you really need to dig deeper to find out what these orchestrators, what kind of people these are all about. If you want to find the truth.
Do i need to say that Mao's regime was communistic which is synonymous to repression Supression and destruction of religion and religious freedom . And basically destruction ; knowledge there of of the human soul. That's what kind of people you're dealing with. But rockerfeller well he thinks it's pretty cool. "Great succes".
Start by reading Marx.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Hell your the guy always saying democracy is a gib
but now you want democracy
you say nothing in your society is right
but change is made and you don't want that either
you just wish to worship your new Reich ;
Louis McFadden, David Icke, Lyndon LaRouche
but what really Fu(ks me off
is your New Reich using quotes from Bill Hicks because hes dead and can't distance himself from you unthinking nazi sheep !
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
"NWO concepts" a great weapon for nazis.
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
I'm 100% for this
One planet
One Humanity
One people working together
Not in Alpha male competition
but for a better outcome for our children
not for our comfort today
nor for tiny minds with big egos .
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
*edited 15 Sep 2010 09:24
Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
I'm 100% for this
One planet
One Humanity
One people working together
Not in Alpha male competition
but for a better outcome for our children
not for our comfort today
nor for tiny minds with big egos .
Cloud cuckoo land fascist rhetoric.
We'll make our own decisions thanks.
When we co operate with others we do so willingly and freely not because we are forced to by the Global Government.
Thankyou for letting us know whose side you are on, we won't forget.
At present you are our enemy, I hope that you see the error of your ways before it is too late.
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*edited 15 Sep 2010 09:13
Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Hell your the guy always saying democracy is a gib
but now you want democracy
you say nothing in your society is right
but change is made and you don't want that either
you just wish to worship your new Reich ;
Louis McFadden, David Icke, Lyndon LaRouche
but what really Fu(ks me off
is your New Reich using quotes from Bill Hicks because hes dead and can't distance himself from you unthinking nazi sheep !
Your insanity is alive and well when you call those who stand against fascism 'Nazi' and 'anti semitic' just because some of the fascists happen to be Jewish.
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*edited 15 Sep 2010 09:22
Originally posted by: Surfscab
You never mention the 100 million jews who died during the second world war so that you could mouth off at the institutions (UN) put in place to ensure that there was little chance of a Holocaust happening again
no like a good Forth reich Nazi
you just back the Anti jew
anti NWO concept
because you cant dig deep you can only google
baaaaa Baaaaa bAAAAA
What you consistently fail to realise due to your cut and paste false left/right paradigm is that Communism, Nazi fascism, and the New World Order are the same thing with a different uniform.
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Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Well PFS that's democracy at work. The Netherlands joined the EU and agreed to be bound by what the EU decides to do. If the Netherlands doesn't like the idea of one european currency all it has to do is notify the Eu that it is seceding from the treaty. You want this to happen I suggest you get out there and start working towards it. Lobby your MP (or whatever it is you have there)
And a question, What the hell does it matter what the currency is called?
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Wait For The Ricochet
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
What you consistently fail to realise due to your cut and paste false left/right paradigm is that Communism, Nazi fascism, and the New World Order are the same thing with a different uniform.
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You constantly fail to realise we can see through your fascist facade
you fool no one
and your black/white paradigm
is showing
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
At present you are our enemy, I hope that you see the error of your ways before it is too late.
When it comes to opposing facist twats
you bet i'm the one holding a gun
hope you good with your sword
i oppose fascists
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
O. S if this globalization is such a "wonderfull" idea.
(of the wikipedia)
"In 2002 Rockefeller authored his autobiography “Memoirs” wherein, on page 405, Mr. Rockefeller writes: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Can you put a different perspective on this ?
Nope.
Good on him!
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Wait For The Ricochet
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
What i consistently fail to realise due to my politically correct skirting answers paradigm is that Democracy, Monarchy, socialism, tribalism, Communism, Nazi fascism, and the New World Order are the same thing with a different uniform.
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Fixed that for you
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Your insanity is alive and well when you call those who stand against fascism 'Nazi' and 'anti semitic' just because some of the fascists happen to be Jewish.
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projection !
that's not like you roy
we oppose projection
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Well PFS that's democracy at work. The Netherlands joined the EU and agreed to be bound by what the EU decides to do. If the Netherlands doesn't like the idea of one european currency all it has to do is notify the Eu that it is seceding from the treaty. You want this to happen I suggest you get out there and start working towards it. Lobby your MP (or whatever it is you have there)
And a question, What the hell does it matter what the currency is called?
Imagine if it was called "The Fuk".
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."
---David Rockefeller, statement about Mao Tse-tung in The New York Times, August 10, 1973
Really? Millions of people died tortured executed 40 to 70 million. And he calls it the most importand and succesfull in history. I don't know. You think we might be dealing with a lunatic Here ? " What ever the the price was "? ?
I don't know you really need to dig deeper to find out what these orchestrators, what kind of people these are all about. If you want to find the truth.
Do i need to say that Mao's regime was communistic which is synonymous to repression Supression and destruction of religion and religious freedom . And basically destruction ; knowledge there of of the human soul. That's what kind of people you're dealing with. But rockerfeller well he thinks it's pretty cool. "Great succes".
Yep, I think he's pretty much on the money there.
Either way you look at it Communism dragged two of the worlds largest fuedal systems out of the middle ages and into the 20th century.
That there were subsequently descents into totalitarianism in both societies (Stalinism in Communist Russia and The Great Leap Forward in Communist China) is a terrible fact of history, but does in no way mean that it is inevitible that it will be repeated in the future.
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Wait For The Ricochet
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Well PFS that's democracy at work. The Netherlands joined the EU and agreed to be bound by what the EU decides to do. If the Netherlands doesn't like the idea of one european currency all it has to do is notify the Eu that it is seceding from the treaty. You want this to happen I suggest you get out there and start working towards it. Lobby your MP (or whatever it is you have there)
And a question, What the hell does it matter what the currency is called?
In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only.
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Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Your insanity is alive and well when you call those who stand against fascism 'Nazi' and 'anti semitic' just because some of the fascists happen to be Jewish.
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that's not like you roy
we oppose projection
I accurately reported your line of reasoning.
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Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
O. S if this globalization is such a "wonderfull" idea.
(of the wikipedia)
"In 2002 Rockefeller authored his autobiography “Memoirs” wherein, on page 405, Mr. Rockefeller writes: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Can you put a different perspective on this ?
Nope.
Good on him!
I hope that you have no idea what you are wishing for, because if you do you are a lost cause.
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Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
At present you are our enemy, I hope that you see the error of your ways before it is too late.
When it comes to opposing facist twats
you bet i'm the one holding a gun
hope you good with your sword
i oppose fascists
You are a fascist !
I'm pro liberty, you are pro centralised control.
You are the fascist.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only.
Then the people of Ireland and The Netherlands need to vote in a government that pledges to secede from the EU if that's what they want.
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Wait For The Ricochet
*edited 15 Sep 2010 12:13
Originally posted by: SurfscabOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
What you consistently fail to realise due to your cut and paste false left/right paradigm is that Communism, Nazi fascism, and the New World Order are the same thing with a different uniform.
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You constantly fail to realise we can see through your fascist facade
you fool no one
and your black/white paradigm
is showing
You obviously don't know what fascism means.
You are a fascist because you are wanting a single global government, which will force itself upon the entire population of the world. That is fascist.
I'm in favour of decentralisation, and the defence of individiual liberty. That is NOT fascist.
Black or white has nothing to do with it, and I'm currently listening to Ladysmith Black Mombaza fyi.
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*edited 15 Sep 2010 12:25
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only.
Then the people of Ireland and The Netherlands need to vote in a government that pledges to secede from the EU if that's what they want.
A bit wet behind the ears you are oldschool.
It is more democratic to respect the referendum results.
There are major obstacles to geting out of the EU by voting in a party which promises to do so, even if most of the population want out.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Well PFS that's democracy at work. The Netherlands joined the EU and agreed to be bound by what the EU decides to do. If the Netherlands doesn't like the idea of one european currency all it has to do is notify the Eu that it is seceding from the treaty. You want this to happen I suggest you get out there and start working towards it. Lobby your MP (or whatever it is you have there)
And a question, What the hell does it matter what the currency is called?
In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only.
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Got figures to back that?
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Chairman of the sub 1000
Originally posted by: Prayforsurf
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."
---David Rockefeller, statement about Mao Tse-tung in The New York Times, August 10, 1973
Really? Millions of people died tortured executed 40 to 70 million. And he calls it the most importand and succesfull in history. I don't know. You think we might be dealing with a lunatic Here ? " What ever the the price was "? ?
I don't know you really need to dig deeper to find out what these orchestrators, what kind of people these are all about. If you want to find the truth.
Do i need to say that Mao's regime was communistic which is synonymous to repression Supression and destruction of religion and religious freedom . And basically destruction ; knowledge there of of the human soul. That's what kind of people you're dealing with. But rockerfeller well he thinks it's pretty cool. "Great succes".
Who exactly are 'the kind of people you are dealing with'? Are you suggesting that David Rockefeller is part of the NWO?
Not disagreeing with your comments re: suppression/destruction of religion etc... but more that I don't see any really powerful people in the modern world (Mao died 34 years ago) who are pushing to run the world by suppression etc... nor do I see any evidence of shady figures trying to achieve this by stealth in the background.
Sure there is an argument that the EU is possibly a move towards globalisation - but as far as I can see the EU is a largely financial union that has no influence over religion etc. My own experience of livig in the EU for 2 years suggested quite a lot of personal freedom.. i.e there is nothing to stop you living/working anywhere you like within it. I suspect the 'globalisation' of which the EU is an example is not the same sort of 'globalisation' that Mao Tse Tung was advocating/enforcing.
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you .
Originally posted by: JabesOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Well PFS that's democracy at work. The Netherlands joined the EU and agreed to be bound by what the EU decides to do. If the Netherlands doesn't like the idea of one european currency all it has to do is notify the Eu that it is seceding from the treaty. You want this to happen I suggest you get out there and start working towards it. Lobby your MP (or whatever it is you have there)
And a question, What the hell does it matter what the currency is called?
In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only.
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Got figures to back that?
Roy's not your secretary Jabes
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you .
Yeah, and you guys are building the classic straw man arguments. We oppose this.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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How exactly can you justify this statement Roy? The Treaty of Lisbon (entered into force in 2009) specifically bans eugenics.
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let alone "demonic"...?!
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Originally posted by: JabesOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Prayforsurf
We for starters never voted for the euro to take place. I don't know how many other countries did also, i think germany and france also. But a small ruling few decided "We're gonna do it any way" Id call that a step backwards'. That's NOT democracy, that's totalitarianism. If it we're up to the people the whole european unification would have never taken place. I find it amazing you make a statement like that, unless it's a "rark". Pretty frustrating too.
"Trust" a great weapon for betrayal.
Well PFS that's democracy at work. The Netherlands joined the EU and agreed to be bound by what the EU decides to do. If the Netherlands doesn't like the idea of one european currency all it has to do is notify the Eu that it is seceding from the treaty. You want this to happen I suggest you get out there and start working towards it. Lobby your MP (or whatever it is you have there)
And a question, What the hell does it matter what the currency is called?
In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only.
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Got figures to back that?
Referendums were run in France the Netherlands and Ireland, a quick search will get you some results.
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Incorrect Roy.
Ireland joined the EU (known as the European Economic Community) in 1973, following a 1972 referendum where 83% of Irish voters elected to join.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
You are a fascist because you are wanting a single global government, which will force itself upon the entire population of the world. That is fascist.
Where did he say he wanted it forced on the entire population of the world. Once again an invalid appeal to probability.
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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How exactly can you justify this statement Roy? The Treaty of Lisbon (entered into force in 2009) specifically bans eugenics.
How ingenuous you are !
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Originally posted by: oldscool
Where did he say he wanted it forced on the entire population of the world. Once again an invalid appeal to probability.
Scab said "I'm 100% for this":
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will"
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
Incorrect Roy.
Ireland joined the EU (known as the European Economic Community) in 1973, following a 1972 referendum where 83% of Irish voters elected to join.
The referendum was against the Lisbon Treaty.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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How exactly can you justify this statement Roy? The Treaty of Lisbon (entered into force in 2009) specifically bans eugenics.
How ingenuous you are !
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Whether or not I am ingenuous is irrelevant.
Again - how can you justify your statement?
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
Incorrect Roy.
Ireland joined the EU (known as the European Economic Community) in 1973, following a 1972 referendum where 83% of Irish voters elected to join.
The referendum was against the Lisbon Treaty.
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Correct. The recent referenda were about the Lisbon Treaty - a controversial reform package, which was rejected by Irish voters in 2008, and then accepted 67 to 33% in 2009 after some changes regarding guarantees that pro-life laws would be respected (clearly a huge issue in Ireland)
So...
voters elect to join the EEC (predecessor to the EU) in 1972... which happens
voters elect not to adopt the Lisbon Treaty in 2008... it is not adopted
voters elect to adopt it in 2009 after significant alteration... and it is adopted
How exactly is democracy not at work here Roy?
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"In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only."
Your statement is clearly in error.
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartI'll re-phrase my question then : With regards to the European Union, you state that you can't think of anything worse. Why is that?
There are many reasons, one is because I believe that increasing centralisation of power to that extent is a major mistake, both in principle and in this case because the people who are getting the power are demonic NWO eugenecists.
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How exactly can you justify this statement Roy? The Treaty of Lisbon (entered into force in 2009) specifically bans eugenics.
How ingenuous you are !
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Whether or not I am ingenuous is irrelevant.
Again - how can you justify your statement?
It's entirely relevant.
The point is that you believe that they have 'banned' eugenics, whereas I believe that they are lying and are engaging in eugenics every day under different names.
For example their claim that they forsesee the possibility of nuclear first strikes can be seen as eugenics.
The reason why I am not attempting to justify my conclusions to you is that we do not have a common notion of what constitues evidence.
For example you have shown that you think it is possibe to refute a statement by saying that it comes from a conspiracy site. As long as you still think that that's logical then there's no point in trying to justify anything to you.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
"In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only."
Your statement is clearly in error.
No it's not ( given that I was actually refering to the Lisbon Treaty)
It's democracy in name only when referendums are ignored.
The mechanism whereby the people have to vote a party out in order to enforce the will of the majority on an issue cannot work for several reasons.
One is that there is more than one issue at stake, so choosing a single party does not allow voters to express their will on a range of issues.
A second is that most politicians lie routinely and do not carry out election promises.
In short the Lisbon treaty shows that democracy does not exist in the EU.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 15 Sep 2010 15:41Originally posted by: dr_surf
"In fact the majority of people in the Netherlands & Ireland voted against joining the EU but their politicians joined them up anyway, that's not democracy at work, it's democracy in name only."
Your statement is clearly in error.
No it's not ( given that I was actually refering to the Lisbon Treaty)
It's democracy in name only when referendums are ignored.
The mechanism whereby the people have to vote a party out in order to enforce the will of the majority on an issue cannot work for several reasons.
One is that there is more than one issue at stake, so choosing a single party does not allow voters to express their will on a range of issues.
A second is that most politicians lie routinely and do not carry out election promises.
In short the Lisbon treaty shows that democracy does not exist in the EU.
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Ireland joining the EU and voting on the Lisbon Treaty were 26 years apart. I can accept that you thought you were referring to the Lisbon Treaty but made a factual error.
As for your opinions about the Lisbon Treaty referenda - there were two votes put to the public, and both times the public got what they wanted. Your statement that the Lisbon Treaty shows that democracy does not exist in the EU is therefore incorrect.
More than one issue, single party, lying politicians etc - that is a seperate issue, and your argument there could probably be applied to any supposedly democratic system. In many instances I suspect I would agree with you.
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