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Originally posted by: seeka
ta Roy, i guess i'm lucky that as a father i get to spend a lot of time with our kids these days..especially the young potential lion tamer...you can't buy that sorta thing. the kids know i'm always here for them if needed. thats quite a contrast from other kids i see and how they relate to(or not, as the case often is) their never ending working parents. i've asked others why they do it, and generally it's so they can give their kids the best. thats fine i guess..but mostly kids only want is time. it's when you can't give time that the next best thing a kid can hope for is a playstion 3 or something.
good post.... and on the money as well
i'm very fortunate that way 2020, most parents are proud of their kids, i'm no different in that regard. i have a teen that after working or skateboarding all day would rather be at home spending time with the family than out getting p1ssed and stoned and driving around with the boys looking for the next lamppost or wall to crash into. a middle teen who is top of his yr in every subject and comes home with honours certificates once a month and a talented humorous potential lion tamer who cracks me up everyday guaranteed...couldn't really ask for much more.
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*edited 17 Nov 2010 22:26
Come on BP... seeka is OK, odd view by my standards but still somewhat grounded in reality...
Roy has completely lost touch with reality, his woodwork projects are unrideable by anyone but roy but he insists they are the ultimate wave riding machine, he supports ultra right wing bloggers and gang members whilst denying that thier nazi ideology is anything but libetarian, hes certifiable on many levels...
and we all know what happens to crazy people who think that the world is persecuting them and thier way is the only way (not to mention crazy people with scruffy beards and a penchant for sackcloth)
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*edited 17 Nov 2010 22:36
oh and for seeka....
my mrs didnt work until 2 years ago and still only part time, as a result both kids speak pretty good japanese, my daughter has excellent grades and is going to uni... My boy also does well at school and plays very good gee-tar for a 13 year old with (i thought) no apparent interest in music (well not mine anyway!)and as for gaming, i write reviews for gaming mags (as does my son, i do the adult stuff and he does the tween stuff) and we get free games and consoles to bang about on, me and the boy enjoy it... a lot, granted he could get out in the outdoors more but if your not into it, you aint,
much like people couldnt work out why i didnt like football and cricket, eventually i found music, skating and surfing... so im not worried at all if hes a couch warrior ..... i just let them be themselves and i dont try to foist my views on them.
Certainly havent succeeded as far as surfings concerned ha ha
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thats great statik, we have more than surfing in common then. i have no time for team sports either, i mean good on em and all, but it gets a bit ridiculous at times when fans(fanatics) go mental and idolise others cus they can run or kick a ball well. i admire their talents, but i think it's wrong to treat them like some kind of God. and then if the fans team loses it's like the end of the world for them..major depression even.
i express my opinions on certain topics to them..it's my right, and as a parent i feel i can educate them as i feel fit..but half the time they think i'm nuts anyway so i don't think they take much notice of my rants lol.
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Originally posted by: seeka
i'm very fortunate that way 2020, most parents are proud of their kids, i'm no different in that regard. i have a teen that after working or skateboarding all day would rather be at home spending time with the family than out getting p1ssed and stoned and driving around with the boys looking for the next lamppost or wall to crash into. a middle teen who is top of his yr in every subject and comes home with honours certificates once a month and a talented humorous potential lion tamer who cracks me up everyday guaranteed...couldn't really ask for much more.
...goes to show that the investment of time reaps sme pretty big rewards.
sure does 2020, if i had any advice for parents of young kids it would be to just spend as much time as possible with them...they grow so fast that i sometimes regret the 70 hr weeks i used to work.
oh and statik, i'm one up...master brains and the lion tamer love to catch a wave 
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Originally posted by: seeka
*edited 17 Nov 2010 22:46
thats great statik, we have more than surfing in common then. i have no time for team sports either, i mean good on em and all, but it gets a bit ridiculous at times when fans(fanatics) go mental and idolise others cus they can run or kick a ball well. i admire their talents, but i think it's wrong to treat them like some kind of God.
and then if the fans team loses it's like the end of the world for them..major depression even.
ha ha yeah, you would think sonny bill was a combination of Jesus, eros and ghandi the way they go on... and the weeping and wailing when the all blacks or black caps lose...FFS! ... HELLO! sheer statistics and the pool of potential players and funds that other countries have mean that they are bound to have better teams...
i express my opinions on certain topics to them..it's my right, and as a parent i feel i can educate them as i feel fit..but half the time they think i'm nuts anyway so i don't think they take much notice of my rants lol.
Welcome to being a parent, kids know from an early age that you know nothing, but they and thier mates know everything
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you want to spend hours with your son, get a playstation ha ha
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both mine had lots of potential, both could ride the whitewater from day one (sonny caught the first wave i pushed him into, stood up, rode it to the beach and stepped off on the sand, I still think half his lacksadaisical attitude towards surfing was he kinda felt hed been there and done that after that!)
i think the dirty west coast boomers scare the cr@p out of em really, even on 3ft days its pretty daunting for a grom... daughter says shes def getting back into it this summer so ill reserve judgement... Sonnys pretty keen on the boogie board so hes still in the water but doesnt seem to want to get some fins and venture outside.... 
anyway one thing we all know as surfers is your hooked from the first wave... and if your not... you aint gonna be
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skateboard parks used be our thing, that and the beach. every weekend was spent finding good parks and encouraging them to push their limits. once when our eldest was about 7yrs we found this hell oldschool half pipe at pakuranga somewhere..a wooden thing that had about 8 ft of vert, master 7 was a bit nervy and and i told him the worst he could do was bust himself up or he could drop into it and live the stoke...seeing that kid fall out of the sky and drop down a vert that most teens wouldn't attempt still brings a warms my heart, gutsy bugger..infact, the teens cheered him on and couldn't believe their eyes.
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my kids learnt to respect the ocean on the wild west aucks coast. i used to push #1 son on his boogy board and i had the fins on..going up waves was awesome, i'd push him high and he'd then pull me over the wave, then i'd line him up for a set wave and haul him into what must have seemd like monsters to him cus they were atleast head high by me..lol. he doesn't surf now though..even though he could. i think the octopus that grabbed his leg once shook him up a bit..that and a few near drownings, he's happy to just skate and says surfing is gay..lol.
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and back to the topic...
eric cantona says 'kill the banks'..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uop5R7E314 [youtube.com]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh4u5Mdnr38&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL [youtube.com]
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I can't help but think that is actually you behind those grapes seeka.
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haha..i prefer red grapes actually.
Originally posted by: Scootertrash
??????He says What ?????? [youtube.com]
unfortunately this will happen ....it's called a peoples revolution and usually involves violence against the state and visa versa.
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but advocating he is going to do it ?
i aint gunna kill no one
soon as you done that your as filthy as hitler
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
i don't want to kill anyone either..but once it comes down to the nitty gritty you won't have much choice will you? die on you feet or live on your knees..i know what i'll be doing.
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Originally posted by: Scootertrash
but advocating he is going to do it ?
i aint gunna kill no one
soon as you done that your as filthy as hitler
Incorrect.
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Take that, Scoots.
You're wrong.
Why? Who gives a sh it? You're wrong because Roy Stewart says you are.
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I consider Roy truly special.
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you .
Originally posted by: dumbbell
Take that, Scoots.
You're wrong.
Why? Who gives a sh it? You're wrong because Roy Stewart says you are.
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Isn't it reasonable to suggest that there are cases where having killed someone ( perhaps by accident, or perhaps in defence of oneself or others ) does not make one as 'filthy' as Hitler ?
The law certainly reflects that idea and in this case i agree with it.
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*edited 22 Nov 2010 14:33
Originally posted by: dumbbell
Take that, Scoots.
You're wrong.
Why? Who gives a sh it? You're wrong because Roy Stewart says you are.
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As an exmaple DB- say Hitler had been assassinated in 1940- how many milions might not have died?
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I'm not arguing morality. I'm just having a laugh at Roy seeking validation though a one-word response.
Quite so 2020, there are literally millions of counter examples ( real and hypothetical ) to the proposition that " anyone who kills someone is as filthy as hitler"
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Originally posted by: dumbbell
I'm not arguing morality. I'm just having a laugh at Roy seeking validation though a one-word response.
Seeking validation? Not me mate, I'm just telling it how it is .
The fact that it has to be explained to you in detail that Scooter's statement is incorrect doesn't say much for your intelligence !
A one word answer seemed just as sufficient in this case as an answer of 'incorrect' to the proposition that the 'world is flat'.
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Roy, are you a trained Swordsman?
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Originally posted by: dumbbell
I'm not arguing morality. I'm just having a laugh at Roy seeking validation though a one-word response.
By the way DB have you made a decision on whether or not God exists yet ?
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Okay, maybe I will bite.
The movie "Minority Report" did an excellent job of exploring the concept of... what might the term be... punishment or prevention on the premise of predestined or prepurposed guilt.
Would it be like you going home tonight, 2020, and giving one of the 1010's an advance smack on the ar se because you knew he was not going to eat his veggies at dinner-time?
Originally posted by: JFS
Roy, are you a trained Swordsman?
Anyone who trains with a sword according to sound principles may be described as such.
I don't train in the double time sport fencing, although my escrima training is based on double time fencing of the non sport variety.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
By the way DB have you made a decision on whether or not God exists yet ?
I don't think it depends on what I decide, Roy...
Originally posted by: seeka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh4u5Mdnr38&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL [youtube.com]
....of course a cynic might suggestion that this is nothing more than talking up the price of silver.
Originally posted by: dumbbellOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
By the way DB have you made a decision on whether or not God exists yet ?
I don't think it depends on what I decide, Roy...
A non answer, which perhaps alludes to indecision.
The existence of God does ot depend upon the content of your decision.
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Was watching some escrima training or something like that, looks cool if your good at it.
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Originally posted by: JFS
Was watching some escrima training or something like that, looks cool if your good at it.
I trained for a while one on one with Bobby Taboada back in 1982, he's amazing.
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*edited 22 Nov 2010 15:10
Originally posted by: dumbbell
Okay, maybe I will bite.
The movie "Minority Report" did an excellent job of exploring the concept of... what might the term be... punishment or prevention on the premise of predestined or prepurposed guilt.
Would it be like you going home tonight, 2020, and giving one of the 1010's an advance smack on the ar se because you knew he was not going to eat his veggies at dinner-time?
Well firstly I dont smack the 1010's DB.
However if I did, and when I got home they were halfway through not eating their vegetables (or just up to the 500,000 mark on murdering jews) then I would.
Which is why I said 1940...not 1928
See the difference?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5v6UeuR18M [youtube.com]
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Way back in 82, I wasn't even a sperm yet, you must be pretty good if you've done it that long.
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Originally posted by: 2020
See the difference?
Yes, I do see your point. Totally. I also see a sh it load of gray though, as I do in most everything.
It's like the ship full of innocents on The Dark Knight, it's a nice idea blowing up the crims - we support it maybe... but when it comes to pressing the kaboom button?
I painfully see Scab's point. Even if I were taken emaciated from a Camp, Hitler was placed on a stool in front of me, and a gun put in my hand... if I pull the trigger, what separates me from him?
That said, if I could save my children from said theoretical camp (theoretical to acknowledge I would dare not insult those who went there by assuming I could even one iota begin to imagine their feelings and trauma) I would kill him with a teaspoon.
Gray.
*edited 22 Nov 2010 22:34
There are countless other scenarios which involve the killing of a person which are better counter examples to Scooter's statement than that, due to the fact that they don't involve premeditated murder.
Thus disproving Scooter's theory only requires us to agree ( for example ) that an accidental killing or one in self defence does not make one as filthy as Hitler.
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Scooters statement was not a theory 
but related to the link where Saint alex jones says
"it's not like germany where a few hundred get put to death....10's of thousands are going to be executed !!!!!!!"(NOT KILLED IN SELF DEFENCE or FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM)
alex makes a statement as premeditated and filthy as hitler roy defends him because he is a miserable anti Semite white supremacist paranoid delusional redneck.
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Pretty sweet video Roy, Bobby Taboada is hard core. Have you got any of yourself?
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Hi JFS, I'm mostly doing solo training drills and hitting a pell, just keeping up some basics.
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it's not like germany where a few hundred get put to death
is Alex Jones a holocaust denier as well....?
Why do all Roys influences wear brown shirts and jackboots... ?
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Helpful hints for DBs moral dillemma
I painfully see Scab's point. Even if I were taken emaciated from a Camp, Hitler was placed on a stool in front of me, and a gun put in my hand... if I pull the trigger, what separates me from him?
Waste him and kick the corpse for good measure
That said, if I could save my children from said theoretical camp (theoretical to acknowledge I would dare not insult those who went there by assuming I could even one iota begin to imagine their feelings and trauma) I would kill him with a teaspoon.
and use said teaspoon to extract one or both eyes prior to inflicting teaspoon death...
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*edited 23 Nov 2010 08:03
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
i am miserable anti Semite white supremacist paranoid delusional redneck.
you do get truthful occasionally
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: ScootertrashOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
i am miserable anti Semite white supremacist paranoid delusional redneck.
you do get truthful occasionally
Ouch... I predict at least 20 tunnel fin pictures and a couple of come hither nude shots to cover that one up....
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Originally posted by: ScootertrashOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
i am miserable anti Semite white supremacist paranoid delusional redneck.
you do get truthful occasionally
Liar !
Jayin T is a liar !
Those are not my words.
Why do you stoop to lying ?
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Go and sand some alias you crazy old goat, we only wind you up because we get a bite every time... like poking a scorpion in a fishtank...
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More like throwing pebbles at a Bull
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or throwing pebbles at bullsh1t
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
alex jones says
"it's not like germany where a few hundred get put to death....10's of thousands are going to be executed !!!!!!!"(NOT KILLED IN SELF DEFENCE or FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM)
A Quote from one of roys heros of liberty and freedoom 
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
You lied by manufacturing a quote and pretending that I said it.
Liar !
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jayin, what a stupid name
LIAR!!
that was the quote
prove i 'manufactured' it 
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: Scootertrash
alex jones says
"it's not like germany where a few hundred get put to death....10's of thousands are going to be executed !!!!!!!"(NOT KILLED IN SELF DEFENCE or FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM)
A Quote from one of roys heros of liberty and freedoom
I don't agree with the death penalty for treason or any other crime.
Alex shouldn't have said that and it is in contrast to his constant promotion of non violent means, no one is perfect.
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*edited 23 Nov 2010 09:47
rutter
Rutter an occupational surname for a player on the fiddle.
Secondly, the surname may have been developed from a somewhat derogatory nickname, possibly for an unscrupulous person, derived from the Old French "rotier, routier", robber, highwayman, flasher, footpad.
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: Scootertrash
LIAR!!
that was the quote
prove i 'manufactured' it
You and I both know that you made the quote up.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: Scootertrash
alex jones says
"it's not like germany where a few hundred get put to death....10's of thousands are going to be executed !!!!!!!"(NOT KILLED IN SELF DEFENCE or FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM)
A Quote from one of roys heros of liberty and freedoom
I don't agree with the death penalty for treason or any other crime.
Alex shouldn't have said that and it is in contrast to his constant promotion of non violent means, no one is perfect.
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alex jones advocating genocide
just like your white supremacist mate doc bean advocating killing "Blacks"
seems you admire some sh!tty people roy
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu