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-children are not taken on the basis of allegations being 'true until proven otherwise'. If there appears to be a significant safety risk the child is taken while allegations are investigated and safety nets are put in place. Ultimately the goal is returning the child to the parents if it is safe to do so. No doubt this court hearing was to determine the safety of this child's return to the parents... not as a result of pressure by Alex Jones and his entourage.
-Your statement about pre-crime with no trial representing tyrrany is entirely correct. How can this be applied to babies and small children with incompetent/violent parents however? Babies have no physical, verbal, or legal means of defending themselves. A 'guilty' verdict against a parent for abusing a child is clearly far too late.
Unfortunately even this system does not always work. I have been involved in the medical care of numerous children who have been maimed by their parents after CYFS involvement, and have an upcoming court date to act as a medical witness in the trial of a parent who allegedly beat their child to death for not going to bed (family already well known to CYFS)
Quite a few posts back Roy, I asked you what your solution was for children in high risk homes. Your silence on this matter was conspicuous - instead you stuck to your usual tirade of propaganda, rhetoric, and Alex Jones youtube videos. Do You have ANYTHING constructive to say on this matter, or will you just continue to rail against the tyrannical authorities while providing no alternative ideas, as indeed you seem to do for just about all the issues you insist on raising on this BB?
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
-children are not taken on the basis of allegations being 'true until proven otherwise'.
Yes they are.
The euphemism used for this method is called taking allegations 'at face value'
It is also used by local government officials.
If there appears to be a significant safety risk the child is taken while allegations are investigated and safety nets are put in place.
You need to wake up. . . CPS are payed bonuses for the number of children they take ( as well as large payments for those they sell ) and if you had both eyes working instead of just the one you'd realise that the huge number of ongoing cases of abuse in CPS care and unjustified child abductions reveal that it is an agent of tyranny.
-Your statement about pre-crime with no trial representing tyrrany is entirely correct. How can this be applied to babies and small children with incompetent/violent parents however?
This begs the question. . . without evidence one cannot know that the parents are incompetent or violent.
Pre crime by definition means acting without evidence, and includes treating allegations as evidence.
Quite a few posts back Roy, I asked you what your solution was for children in high risk homes.
I'm a firm believer that any system is only as good or bad as the people running it. A system set up in good faith can be abused by those in power, just as a poorly set up system will work well if the people running it are good.
So although I disagree with the 'pre crime' and 'face value' methods used by child protection agencies, I think that the solution to the problem of corruption, unjustified child abduction and abuse in CPS care should be solved by replacing staff using better recruitment methods and by rooting out the source of the corruption.
As far as protecting children goes, the system obviously needs to continue to operate. Sadly no system can ever protect 100% of children, and trying to make it do so has the inevitable side effect of taking children when it is not necessary.. . . since that is a crime in itself a balance has to be struck.
Do You have ANYTHING constructive to say on this matter
Identifying evil IS positive.. . . and after all that's what you claim CPS do and are all for it.
Your problem is that you refuse to recognise evil in government where it exists, and only see it in the public, it's a one eyed view which reveals that truth is not your guide.
As far as child abuse goes, those guilty of it include members of the public and members of government agencies. . . if you were truly against child abuse you'd take your blinkers off and see that instead of claiming that 'your team' are all clean when clearly they are not.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
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Even more oh dear.
"Meanwhile, Garrett Lear of Wakefield, the national chaplain of the Oath Keepers, complained that Irish misrepresented himself, falsely leading people to believe he was a member of the group.
"He unfairly aligned himself with our organization," said Lear, a cross on the front of his baseball cap.
Tensions rose when Johnathon Irish's father, John Irish, told a reporter within earshot of Johnathon Irish that his son had spent a portion of his childhood in facilities for juveniles and had gotten in trouble with the law. He added that Johnathon Irish deserved to be scrutinized by the state.
"DCYF was acting properly to protect that child," said John Irish, who said he's been estranged from his son for at least five years. "There were two other children who were also taken from their home."
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple [concordmonitor.com]
It's the grandfather who has a long list of convictions, not the son, and yet you blithely present the grandfather as a reliable witness because it suits your case to do so, in spite of this fact.
Given also that that they have been estranged for many years the grandfather should have no say in he matter.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
-CPS are not claiming mistaken identity - only the father himself... unsurprisingly!
CPS are not giving any reasons for returning the child to the parents, and will not do so as there is a state law against publicising the court proceedings.
Thus CPS silence cannot be seen as evidence for or against anything.
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Paid bonuses for children taken?
That is a shocking allegation Roy. do you have any evidence for that?
"I'm a firm believer that any system is only as good or bad as the people running it. A system set up in good faith can be abused by those in power, just as a poorly set up system will work well if the people running it are good. So although I disagree with the 'pre crime' and 'face value' methods used by child protection agencies, I think that the solution to the problem of corruption, unjustified child abduction and abuse in CPS care should be solved by replacing staff using better recruitment methods and by rooting out the source of the corruption.
As far as protecting children goes, the system obviously needs to continue to operate. Sadly no system can ever protect 100% of children, and trying to make it do so has the inevitable side effect of taking children when it is not necessary.. . . since that is a crime in itself a balance has to be struck."
So you agree that some sort of system is necessary.
Why do you say that child protection services are corrupt? No system is perfect, and occasionally bad things happen, but where is your evidence of active corruption and intentional abuse at a systematic level? There is a huge diffence between an imperfect but well-intentioned system making occasional/inevitable errors, and a system containing intentional corruption with bonuses paid based on the number of children snatched.
As for your statement that I think evil doesn't exist in the government - incorrect. Any large system that contains personnel will have a people both good and bad, and a few who would meet the definition of 'evil'. Does that mean the system itself is 'evil'? not necessarily, as you seem to think.
I agree with you that appropriate recruitment is vital for something like child protection... but unfortunately there are not large queues of people lining up to be child protecting social workers. So in the real world, how would you suggest that recruitment be improved and corruption rooted out? Not quite that easy, is it!
I'm still not clear what you think about children being removed. Your use of the phrase 'unjustified' suggests that you think there may be some circ*mstances in which it IS justified. If so, what would these circ*mstances be?
Again - I'd love to see your evidence that bonuses are paid per child snatched.
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*edited 16 Oct 2010 10:06
Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 09:45
*edited 16 Oct 2010 09:37Originally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 16 Oct 2010 07:51
Even more oh dear.
"Meanwhile, Garrett Lear of Wakefield, the national chaplain of the Oath Keepers, complained that Irish misrepresented himself, falsely leading people to believe he was a member of the group.
"He unfairly aligned himself with our organization," said Lear, a cross on the front of his baseball cap.
Tensions rose when Johnathon Irish's father, John Irish, told a reporter within earshot of Johnathon Irish that his son had spent a portion of his childhood in facilities for juveniles and had gotten in trouble with the law. He added that Johnathon Irish deserved to be scrutinized by the state.
"DCYF was acting properly to protect that child," said John Irish, who said he's been estranged from his son for at least five years. "There were two other children who were also taken from their home."
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple [concordmonitor.com]
It's the grandfather who has a long list of convictions, not the son, and yet you blithely present the grandfather as a reliable witness because it suits your case to do so, in spite of this fact.
Given also that that they have been estranged for many years the grandfather should have no say in he matter.
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I wasn't presenting the grandfather as a reliable witness - merely posting an update, as you did earlier!
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
agencies. . . if you were truly against child abuse you'd take your blinkers off and see that instead of claiming that 'your team' are all clean when clearly they are not.
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Incorrect Roy. I have never stated that my team are 'all clean'. But I do have no doubt that most of them are well-intentioned, rather than corrupt and evil, as you seem to think.
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roy and CYFs have a great relationship
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Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
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roy and CYFs have a great relationship
Nice edit BP!
That one would have been a right can of worms
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Might have been amusing to see the reply though!
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roy can u just give it up dr surf has had enougth of waiting
Originally posted by: shacked
roy can u just give it up
Nomination for the funniest statement of the year/decade!
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yea yea ok but dude your the one having a love affair with the dude
(Shudder) 
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Originally posted by: dr_surfI didnt want to contribute to putarurus suicide rate doc
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roy and CYFs have a great relationship
Nice edit BP!
That one would have been a right can of worms
Originally posted by: dr_surf
(Shudder)
Originally posted by: brighton_pumpsOriginally posted by: dr_surfI didnt want to contribute to putarurus suicide rate doc
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roy and CYFs have a great relationship
Nice edit BP!
That one would have been a right can of worms
Surely Putaruru has bigger issues. It's the centre of The Chlamydia Triangle, is it not?
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you just get fukd bro blame the govenment
this was meant 4 differnt page
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
"I'm a firm believer that any system is only as good or bad as the people running it. A system set up in good faith can be abused by those in power, just as a poorly set up system will work well if the people running it are good. So although I disagree with the 'pre crime' and 'face value' methods used by child protection agencies, I think that the solution to the problem of corruption, unjustified child abduction and abuse in CPS care should be solved by replacing staff using better recruitment methods and by rooting out the source of the corruption.
As far as protecting children goes, the system obviously needs to continue to operate. Sadly no system can ever protect 100% of children, and trying to make it do so has the inevitable side effect of taking children when it is not necessary.. . . since that is a crime in itself a balance has to be struck."
So you agree that some sort of system is necessary.
Of course
Why do you say that child protection services are corrupt? No system is perfect, and occasionally bad things happen, but where is your evidence of active corruption and intentional abuse at a systematic level? There is a huge diffence between an imperfect but well-intentioned system making occasional/inevitable errors, and a system containing intentional corruption with bonuses paid based on the number of children snatched.
If you have done research into the matter and still can't see it then nothing I say will convince you.
As for your statement that I think evil doesn't exist in the government - incorrect. Any large system that contains personnel will have a people both good and bad, and a few who would meet the definition of 'evil'. Does that mean the system itself is 'evil'? not necessarily, as you seem to think
Don't assume that you can guess what I think.
What I actually think and have always thought is that systems themselves cannot be good or evil, it's the people who are running them who are.
I'm still not clear what you think about children being removed. Your use of the phrase 'unjustified' suggests that you think there may be some circ*mstances in which it IS justified.
Clearly there are such circ*mstances.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 16 Oct 2010 10:06Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 09:45
*edited 16 Oct 2010 09:37Originally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 16 Oct 2010 07:51
Even more oh dear.
"Meanwhile, Garrett Lear of Wakefield, the national chaplain of the Oath Keepers, complained that Irish misrepresented himself, falsely leading people to believe he was a member of the group.
"He unfairly aligned himself with our organization," said Lear, a cross on the front of his baseball cap.
Tensions rose when Johnathon Irish's father, John Irish, told a reporter within earshot of Johnathon Irish that his son had spent a portion of his childhood in facilities for juveniles and had gotten in trouble with the law. He added that Johnathon Irish deserved to be scrutinized by the state.
"DCYF was acting properly to protect that child," said John Irish, who said he's been estranged from his son for at least five years. "There were two other children who were also taken from their home."
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple [concordmonitor.com]
It's the grandfather who has a long list of convictions, not the son, and yet you blithely present the grandfather as a reliable witness because it suits your case to do so, in spite of this fact.
Given also that that they have been estranged for many years the grandfather should have no say in he matter.
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I wasn't presenting the grandfather as a reliable witness - merely posting an update, as you did earlier!
Incorrect the update was posted with a comment of yours which appeared to support the grandfather's position.
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It's a laugh that you can't write "circ*mstances".
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 16 Oct 2010 10:13Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
agencies. . . if you were truly against child abuse you'd take your blinkers off and see that instead of claiming that 'your team' are all clean when clearly they are not.
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Incorrect Roy. I have never stated that my team are 'all clean'. But I do have no doubt that most of them are well-intentioned, rather than corrupt and evil, as you seem to think.
Is that so ?
Well I beg to differ.
The CPS agency is run by the US government, the same government who routinely kill many children and consider such killings to be collateral damage which is justified by the importance of the political goals.
Any government which kills children is obviously rotten to the core and all of their agencies are also.
Trying to pretend that the US government cares about child welfare at any level is a tragic joke.
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You claim that the authorities care about child welfare.
This is what those same authorities spend billions every year doing to children and other innocent people:
Have a good look !!
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
The so called authorities are morally bankrupt and have no right to judge anyone, especially on the basis of crimes which have not been committed.
CPS are just another branch of the evil empire, and their child abduction and child trafficking business is as bad as any of their other projects !
Stuff you and your F-ing hierarchy of sc*m
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Originally posted by: Spud
It's a laugh that you can't write "circ*mstances".
Yeah hilarious, have a look at what the caring US government do:
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 16 Oct 2010 10:13Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
agencies. . . if you were truly against child abuse you'd take your blinkers off and see that instead of claiming that 'your team' are all clean when clearly they are not.
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Incorrect Roy. I have never stated that my team are 'all clean'. But I do have no doubt that most of them are well-intentioned, rather than corrupt and evil, as you seem to think.
Is that so ?
Well I beg to differ.
The CPS agency is run by the US government, the same government who routinely kill many children and consider such killings to be collateral damage which is justified by the importance of the political goals.
Any government which kills children is obviously rotten to the core and all of their agencies are also.
Trying to pretend that the US government cares about child welfare at any level is a tragic joke.
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Uh... dude, I work in New Zealand..
As for your pessimism - I pity you.
And as usual - more rhetoric, zero evidence.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 19:44
You claim that the authorities care about child welfare.
This is what those same authorities spend billions every year doing to children and other innocent people:
Have a good look !!
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
The so called authorities are morally bankrupt and have no right to judge anyone, especially on the basis of crimes which have not been committed.
CPS are just another branch of the evil empire, and their child abduction and child trafficking business is as bad as any of their other projects !
Stuff you and your F-ing hierarchy of sc*m
What exactly does the Iraq war have to do with this Roy?
Seems to me the 'evil empire' is anybody who holds opinions different to yours.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 19:44
You claim that the authorities care about child welfare.
This is what those same authorities spend billions every year doing to children and other innocent people:
Have a good look !!
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
The so called authorities are morally bankrupt and have no right to judge anyone, especially on the basis of crimes which have not been committed.
CPS are just another branch of the evil empire, and their child abduction and child trafficking business is as bad as any of their other projects !
Stuff you and your F-ing hierarchy of sc*m
You have said that there are circ*mstances under which children should be removed.
You also state that the authorities should not judge anyone based on crimes that haven't been committed.
Are you suggesting that parents MUST be found guilty of giving children the bash prior to the children being taken away?
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The goal of the mindprod website:
"CMP’s purpose is to stand up for the rights of plants and animals. Animals also includes cetacea, humans, gay people, atheists, war victims and invertebrates. CMP attempts to inculcate planetary consciousness — concern for the planet as a whole. A subgoal is to teach people to use computers effectively, particularly with the Java computer language."
If we can't save the world, at least we can all use Java!
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 19:44
You claim that the authorities care about child welfare.
This is what those same authorities spend billions every year doing to children and other innocent people:
Have a good look !!
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
The so called authorities are morally bankrupt and have no right to judge anyone, especially on the basis of crimes which have not been committed.
CPS are just another branch of the evil empire, and their child abduction and child trafficking business is as bad as any of their other projects !
Stuff you and your F-ing hierarchy of sc*m
What exactly does the Iraq war have to do with this Roy?
It's got a lot to do with it.
The employers of CPS are mass murderers who deliberately kill children all the time, thus their claim to be 'protecting' children is utter BS.
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 19:44
You claim that the authorities care about child welfare.
This is what those same authorities spend billions every year doing to children and other innocent people:
Have a good look !!
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
The so called authorities are morally bankrupt and have no right to judge anyone, especially on the basis of crimes which have not been committed.
CPS are just another branch of the evil empire, and their child abduction and child trafficking business is as bad as any of their other projects !
Stuff you and your F-ing hierarchy of sc*m
You have said that there are circ*mstances under which children should be removed.
You also state that the authorities should not judge anyone based on crimes that haven't been committed.
Are you suggesting that parents MUST be found guilty of giving children the bash prior to the children being taken away?
Not necessarily, as convictions for crimes which are not directly against children can also be relevant e.g violence against adults.
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
As for your pessimism - I pity you.
I'm infinitely optimistic regarding the long term future of mankind, but that does not prevent me from seeing evil where it occurs.
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you dont happen to run a butchery do you roy?
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I don't eat Pork
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Those in authority are not abusers ?
Justice for Hollie Greig
]Your text to link here... [holliedemandsjustice.org]
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
*edited 16 Oct 2010 19:44
You claim that the authorities care about child welfare.
This is what those same authorities spend billions every year doing to children and other innocent people:
Have a good look !!
Your text to link here... [mindprod.com]
The so called authorities are morally bankrupt and have no right to judge anyone, especially on the basis of crimes which have not been committed.
CPS are just another branch of the evil empire, and their child abduction and child trafficking business is as bad as any of their other projects !
Stuff you and your F-ing hierarchy of sc*m
You have said that there are circ*mstances under which children should be removed.
You also state that the authorities should not judge anyone based on crimes that haven't been committed.
Are you suggesting that parents MUST be found guilty of giving children the bash prior to the children being taken away?
Not necessarily, as convictions for crimes which are not directly against children can also be relevant e.g violence against adults.
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Like Jonathan Irish being ordered to attend (and failing to do so) a violence program perhaps?
You don't get that sort of court order unless you are found guilty, unless is is part of a plea bargain
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Roy, I have no doubt there are multiple examples of those in authority abusing their power.
You seem to feel this means that EVERYONE in a postion of authority is evil and abusive.
???
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
Roy, I have no doubt there are multiple examples of those in authority abusing their power.
You seem to feel this means that EVERYONE in a postion of authority is evil and abusive.
???
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Originally posted by: dr_surf
Roy, I have no doubt there are multiple examples of those in authority abusing their power.
You seem to feel this means that EVERYONE in a postion of authority is evil and abusive.
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Not at all, but it's at an epidemic level.
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By the way that's my cousin Stuart Usher in the Hollie Greig picture, he is the founder of Scotland Against Crooked Lawyers.
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Originally posted by: lynicOriginally posted by: dr_surf
Roy, I have no doubt there are multiple examples of those in authority abusing their power.
You seem to feel this means that EVERYONE in a postion of authority is evil and abusive.
???
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Unfortunately power tends to appeal mainly to those with psychopathic tendencies.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
Roy, I have no doubt there are multiple examples of those in authority abusing their power.
You seem to feel this means that EVERYONE in a postion of authority is evil and abusive.
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Not at all, but it's at an epidemic level.
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I would argue that you perspective is skewed - the websites that you rely on for information focus on fear and negativity.
How often do you see coverage of something GOOD that CPS has done, for example?
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Good = not newsworthy
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Im afraid you have fallen for the old Stewart 'bait and switch' doc surf... he will just keep making more and more outrageous claims just so you will reply...
Best not to give Roy screeds of copy so he can reply with one line bullet point answers designed to wind you up.
limit arguing with Roy to pointing out where hes wrong... it will save your fingers, also with nothing to work with he starts making up his own arguments, at which point he ties himself in more knots than a snakes swingers party giving you more ammunition....
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asking why theres no good news about CPS is similar to asking why fonterror never have any good news about them. other than the massive profits the announce each year.
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so you dont deny its your butchery then roy
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Originally posted by: Mr Statik
Im afraid you have fallen for the old Stewart 'bait and switch' doc surf... he will just keep making more and more outrageous claims just so you will reply...
Best not to give Roy screeds of copy so he can reply with one line bullet point answers designed to wind you up.
limit arguing with Roy to pointing out where hes wrong... it will save your fingers, also with nothing to work with he starts making up his own arguments, at which point he ties himself in more knots than a snakes swingers party giving you more ammunition....
work smarter, not harder....
Agreed Statik. Its when the opinions have to be developed beyond soundbites from the Alex Jones Show and headlines from infowars.com that the cracks start to emerge.
At the moment I'm trying to get my head around the extent of the Evil Empire. Thus far I think it encompasses the EU, the USA, CPS, CYFS, the NZ Health System, and the surfboard industry (fascists).
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you need to ignore him doc, its all just marketing for his crazy cult. hes already been dismissed by all but the lowest bottom feeders as a fraudulent,bullsh1tting con artist. the guy claims to be a bigtime surfboard shaper but spends 14 hour days arguing on internet forums, you do the math.
Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
you need to ignore him doc, its all just marketing for his crazy cult. hes already been dismissed by all but the lowest bottom feeders as a fraudulent,bullsh1tting con artist. the guy claims to be a bigtime surfboard shaper but spends 14 hour days arguing on internet forums, you do the math.
I thought that was just advertising for 'avant-garde wave riding vehicles'!
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you can laugh but keep in mind you spend a large portion of your day flicking channels from infomericials to good morning.
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and here we all are, its my day off and the surfs cr@p, whats you guys excuse?
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indeed but only for the here and now and most of my life i hav worked
Originally posted by: Mr Statik
and here we all are, its my day off and the surfs cr@p, whats you guys excuse?
same as surfs crap going for a dawnie tommorie up a 4:30 ;and yea its my day of to
Originally posted by: Mr Statik
and here we all are, its my day off and the surfs cr@p, whats you guys excuse?
Who said slaves aren't happy with their lot ?
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roy dont know you but from drsurfs explanation i think you should go surfing or go to see ur friends a seeweed
Dr Surf is deluded and full of misinformation.
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im at work, and only ever post at work, no net or tv at home...prevents wasting time
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