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Legalizing Marijuana (Part Two)
Originally posted by: Scootertrash
Same with Doctors damn some are good some are useless that much will always be true but at least they train to try to heal people
That's highly debatable, most doctors in my opinion are just pill company reps.
Did you know that doctors no longer make the Hippocratic oath in the USA ?
There's a reason why. They are there, knowingly or not, to assist in depopulation and incremental genocide, not to heal people.
Bill Gates stated recently that vaccinations would lower population in the third world, suposedly so that he can keep the air cleaner.
Figure that one out.
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Originally posted by: Spud
Incorrect.
F*ck you.
When I'm carved up by drunken body snatchers for no reason and my Father nearly murdered by a so called doctor through an insane level of incompetence, then no one's going to tel me that it's ok and doctors are great.
Those turkeys deserve to be hung from the nearest tree:
Dr Wallace of Tga.
Dr Seddon of Tga
Mr Mountford, surgeon of Tga.
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Okay. Correct then.
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Originally posted by: Spud
Okay. Correct then.
Then there was the government school 'health' programme in the 60's to drill out perfectly healthy molars and fill them with mercury amalgam as a way of preventing tooth decay.
Our Murder House dental nurse at Pillans Point Primary in Tauranga not only perpetrated this crime on us via government decree she also caused so much unnecessary pain and drilling that she was sacked for sadism. She was a witch of the first order, if only I knew then what I know now I'd destroy the Murder house with her in it... . Her name was Nurse Dearlove.. . . that sort of lie is typical of the servants of the dark side.
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By the way the government are currently removing baby teeth from school children and replacing them with steel implants. . . the insanity continues.
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Ever seen a screaming pre school child being strapped to a dental chair to have his teeth drilled with the old slow belt driven drills and no anaesthetic ?
I have. . I was the four year old in the other chair who suffered the agony in silence.
I've got a F*cking big knife for anyone who tries to stick their bloody steel instruments into me ever again, we'll see who goes snicker snack the fastest then oh yes.
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Jeez, where to begin..
Roy, I am sorry you have had negative experiences with health care in the past. Medicine, like any other branch of human history, is littered with the victims of trial and error. Doctors are a subset of the general population - this means a varying level of competence and knowledge, plus of course the very occasional criminal (Harold Shipman etc). Unfortunately with current technology this is probably the best system we have for providing health care to those who want it. If you have a better system i'd love to hear it.
My personal opinion is that things now are a lot better than 20 or 30 years ago, for two main reasons:
1) evidence based medicine - the concept that treatments provided should be proven by well constructed studies to be of more benefit than harm
2) increased accountability of health professionals, via a variety of mechanisms, including mandatory requirements for continuing education, independent investigatory bodies like the Health and Disability Commissioner, and a media (NZ Herald, 60 Minutes etc) that likes nothing better than to point out the failings of the health care system.
The result of this is that doctors are under more scrutiny than ever before, and more pressure to provide treatments that work and have strong science behind them. There is no 'dark side' (especially with regards to depopulation and genocide!?!)- merely a lot of well-intentioned people trying to do the best job they can with the information and resources available.
I would be particularly interested to hear why you think the so-called 'dark side' is getting worse.
As for being "pill pushers" for drug companies - the structure of the NZ health system (mostly taxpayer funded) means that the majority of doctors have no financial incentives to precribe one treatment over another, unless you consider free pens and the occasional club sandwich at a drug company funded brunch as being financially significant. Drug companies are a slightly different matter - they are an unholy hybrid of health care and money making - which is why all doctors are now trained to accurately intepret study data - often drug company funded - with a healthy degree of cynicism.
The Hippocratic Oath is no longer taken because the literal elements have been deemed unacceptable in our current society. If the Hippocratic Oath were taken today some elements in it would include giving preference in medical school places to the children of doctors, refusing to perform abortions, not performing surgery for kidney stones etc. Most medical schools use some sort of modified oath which is made relevant to modern society.
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As for your appendix being taken out unnecessarily - despite a ton of high tech equipment for scans etc there is still a significant "false negative rate" for appendicectomies - between 5% and 20% of resected appendixes are normal. At a population level this is acceptable, because leaving everybody with suspected appendicitis until the diagnosis was more certain would result in more perforated appendixes, multiorgan failure, and death etc etc.
As for your surgeon being drunk - if true this would be totally unacceptable in current practice and grounds for being struck off the medical register.
Your comments about steel implants are just plain weird - although I'm not a dentist, steel implants etc may be helpful as temporary fixes for decayed baby teeth. Are you suggesting that healthy teeth are being removed? If so I'd like to see the evidence.
Your comments re: knives are fairly alarming. Fortunately (except in the dire emergency setting, for example where someone is unconcious and there are no family to provide informed consent), an operation cannot be performed without informed consent from the patient. I think you would get your wish about surgeons not coming near you with their instruments - if you refuse despite being informed of risks/benefits, they don't operate, and if you threatened them with knives hospital security and the police would rapidly remove you from the surgeon's noxious presence.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: dr_surf
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In general the studies of vitamin C for influenza/colds (plus all the other stuff it's claimed to be of benefit for, like cancer) have not really suggested a significant benefit. The chance of seeing well constructed large scale trials about this is pretty small, because for the drug companies there is no money in it... so I suspect for the near future vitamin C will be stuck on the fringe.
As for the specialists deciding the guy had no hope - again very complicated! For intensive care in general, let alone a treatment as dramatic as ECMO, the evidence for who should recieve it and how long treatment should persist for before abandoning ship is very limited - it is currently a 'best guess' scenario based on the patient's age/other medical problems/response to treatment/patient's prior wishes/family wishes. It is NOT an exact science and the doctors will occasionally be proven wrong. That's not to say that keeping people in ICU indefinitely 'just in case things get better' is the right thing to do - intensive care (especially ECMO) is pretty awful for the patient and family, with lots of ups and downs, unexpected setbacks, painful invasive procedures etc, and looooong recovery times even in the best circomstances. Many families will watch all this happen and if things are not improving say "enough is enough".
Unfortunately there is also a health economics aspect to it as well - ECMO for example is a hugely expensive treatment; for the cost of attempting to save one life with prolonged ECMO you could probably use the money to save quite a few more lives with heart procedures etc... such is the stark reality of living in a 'free' taxpayer funded health system, there are only so many $$$ to go round.
Hope this has answered your question Seeka!
[censoring system wouldn't let me spell circOmstances correctly!]
A message from hell.
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How come Roy? Too many shades of grey for your completely dichotomous RoyThink good/bad pro/anti brain to cope? Life is not black and white.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: Spud
Okay. Correct then.
Then there was the government school 'health' programme in the 60's to drill out perfectly healthy molars and fill them with mercury amalgam as a way of preventing tooth decay.
i was a victim of that scam during the 70's, the drills were hideous, let alone the metal.
once the biatch had done most of my perfectly healthy molars she started to drill out the backs of my perfectly healthy front teeth and fill with poison. i then decided she was wack and went home rather than suffer her selfish wrath again.
for the most part i thought it was all about the murder house nurse gaining a quota to improve her personal qualifications.
i'm now slowly getting them replaced(dodgy in itself) at a cost of literally thousands of $'s.
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Originally posted by: seeka
right about now i bet dr_surf's thinking i'm fully certifiable..
Ha! No way - there are many situations where conventional medicine can't even provide a diagnosis, let alone a cure. If you go down another avenue and it makes you feel better - why not!
Just watch out for the scam merchants - there is a fine line between offering an unconventional treatment because it MAY provide some benefit and is worth a crack, and extracting lots of money from people at a vulnerable time in their lives.
Your story about the Muriwai sand is truly inspired.
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Originally posted by: seeka
i'm now slowly getting them replaced(dodgy in itself) at a cost of literally thousands of $'s.
Got all mine done in india
i got a dental Dam and a packet of carbon pills
$600 to replace 7 with 2nd generation composite
One of My Top 10 Best thing i did ever
Dentist had computer X-ray and laser drill too
NZ dentists are so 3rd world
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
yeah? man thats cheap..how much to get to india? can i sleep in the streets?
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Originally posted by: ScootertrashOriginally posted by: seeka
i'm now slowly getting them replaced(dodgy in itself) at a cost of literally thousands of $'s.
Got all mine done in india
i got a dental Dam and a packet of carbon pills
$600 to replace 7 with 2nd generation composite
One of My Top 10 Best thing i did ever
Dentist had computer X-ray and laser drill too
NZ dentists are so 3rd world
Dude, you should try NHS dentists in the UK. Stuck in the 1960s.
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yeah or go to thailand seeka my girlfriend going off there in 2 weeks getting 6 root canals and crowns think its going to cost 2-3k for the dentist work at opposed to a 2k a tooth here i think the quote was 
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Originally posted by: dr_surf
*edited 09 Sep 2010 23:12
As for your appendix being taken out unnecessarily - despite a ton of high tech equipment for scans etc there is still a significant "false negative rate" for appendicectomies - between 5% and 20% of resected appendixes are normal. At a population level this is acceptable, because leaving everybody with suspected appendicitis until the diagnosis was more certain would result in more perforated appendixes, multiorgan failure, and death etc etc.
You don't know the facts.
All I had was a brief case of gas from eating mandarins right after cream buns, this was gone before the doctor arrived I had no pain, swelling or other symptoms whatsoever.
Taking the organ out was rank incompetence.
As for your surgeon being drunk - if true this would be totally unacceptable in current practice and grounds for being struck off the medical register.
The doctor who did a home visit and sent me to hospital was drunk, not the surgeon. He did no examination at all just sent me to hospital to cover himself. Once in hospital surgery was inevitable.
Your comments about steel implants are just plain weird - although I'm not a dentist, steel implants etc may be helpful as temporary fixes for decayed baby teeth. Are you suggesting that healthy teeth are being removed? If so I'd like to see the evidence.
Healthy teeth were drilled out in the 1960's as a matter of government policy.
Your comments re: knives are fairly alarming. Fortunately (except in the dire emergency setting, for example where someone is unconcious and there are no family to provide informed consent), an operation cannot be performed without informed consent from the patient.
I was talking not only of knives, I said STEEL INSTRUMENTS that includes drills, and needles as well as scalpels etc.
Compulsory vaccination is what was on my mind.
When I was operated on I did not give my consent.
I think you would get your wish about surgeons not coming near you with their instruments - if you refuse despite being informed of risks/benefits, they don't operate, and if you threatened them with knives hospital security and the police would rapidly remove you from the surgeon's noxious presence.
Compulsory vaccinations are what I'm alluding to, and I'm also allowing my indignation over past events to exist.
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: seeka
right about now i bet dr_surf's thinking i'm fully certifiable..
Ha! No way - there are many situations where conventional medicine can't even provide a diagnosis, let alone a cure. If you go down another avenue and it makes you feel better - why not!
Just watch out for the scam merchants - there is a fine line between offering an unconventional treatment because it MAY provide some benefit and is worth a crack, and extracting lots of money from people at a vulnerable time in their lives.
Your story about the Muriwai sand is truly inspired.
Seeka...I have a case of snake oil left which I will seel you ...and not just any snake oil my friend...its 2020's patended cure all snake oil.... sourced from genuine snakes
(disclaimer advertised snake oil may contain traces of motor oil in concentrations of up to 100% parts per volume)
Some serious scare mongering going on here. Funny when our life expectancy is going up all the time.
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How come Roy? Too many shades of grey for your completely dichotomous RoyThink good/bad pro/anti brain to cope? Life is not black and white.
Hospitals are hell incarnate.
Life is Black and White, without black and white there would be no shades of grey.
Black hides by mixing itself with white.
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Originally posted by: seekaOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: Spud
Okay. Correct then.
Then there was the government school 'health' programme in the 60's to drill out perfectly healthy molars and fill them with mercury amalgam as a way of preventing tooth decay.
i was a victim of that scam during the 70's, the drills were hideous, let alone the metal.
once the biatch had done most of my perfectly healthy molars she started to drill out the backs of my perfectly healthy front teeth and fill with poison. i then decided she was wack and went home rather than suffer her selfish wrath again.
for the most part i thought it was all about the murder house nurse gaining a quota to improve her personal qualifications.
i'm now slowly getting them replaced(dodgy in itself) at a cost of literally thousands of $'s.
In a just world we could sue them.
We didn't know our rights Seeka !
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i find the thought of compulsory vaccinations pretty scary.
i went to the dr a while ago and she wanted to give me a swine flu vaccination that i said i didnt want. she was pretty forceful on the issue to the point where i aklmost had to take it. i escaped though. still havent had swine flu
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Well theyre wanting to reduce carbon emissions so these vaccinations are helping with that if people are getting seriously ill or dying. Like i said, less people, less carbon emissions, easier to control. Nikola Tesla had the ability to control weather and shake the ground and he was silenced by the powers that be. You cant blame me for being a bit sceptical if there are people out there who have taken Tesla's ideas and are using them for god knows what. If you dont know who he was then i suggest you look him up..
I bet if you mentioned the mercury in fillings years ago you would get people telling you that you were smoking the wacky backy too
telling you that you were smoking wacky backy too
ahhh back on topic at last
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Originally posted by: Blunttelling you that you were smoking wacky backy too
ahhh back on topic at last
Certainly wouldve been helpful during those aftershocks ha
Originally posted by: Tasty_waves
Nikola Tesla had the ability to control weather and shake the ground and he was silenced by the powers that be. You cant blame me for being a bit sceptical if there are people out there who have taken Tesla's ideas and are using them for god knows what. If you dont know who he was then i suggest you look him up..
Tesla was Epic
The band Tesla [youtube.com] was less than epic
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: Tasty_waves
Well theyre wanting to reduce carbon emissions so these vaccinations are helping with that if people are getting seriously ill or dying.
That's right, they are using vaccinations to spread disease, and as a trojan horse for dangerous toxins in order to to kill and sterilise people.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Dr Seddon of Tga
Is that Phillipa's dad?
She was kinda hot.....
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go away paedophile, act your age.
Originally posted by: oldscoolOriginally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Dr Seddon of Tga
Is that Phillipa's dad?
She was kinda hot.....
I don't know, but he'll be in hot water if I ever run into him.
'Doctor' Derry Seddon BOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!
The old man had accountancy exams coming up and had a spot of insomnia. He went to the quack in question and was given valium, after the first dose he was a complete mess as he's violently allergic to it. He flushed the lot down the toilet and went called the quack to tell him what had happened ( it wasn't pretty ) seddon precribed stronger valium and said that if my father didn't take it he'd have him sent to hospital and force fed it via a drip. Pretty radical considering that he was perfectly healthy when he went for the first doctor's visit. Anyway he took the stronger stuff and it went from ugly to very ugly, he was going up the wall with demonic hallucinations and severe paranoia. Eventually his mother took hin to her place in Auckland where her scottish doctor ( Dr Herbert ) threw the stuff away and he started to recover. It was months before he could get up the courage to get to the gate to collect the mail, and that's a man who once stormed a gang headquarters in SA singlehanded even though he's not even a large person i.e. he's got considerable natural courage.
The quack is a jerk of the first order.
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Originally posted by: 2020Originally posted by: jelly
and this is the bud topic..so go pac me a 8.6 or move on.
wtf does this even mean jelly- jesus get into a remdial program will you.
stfu and build a chillum
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Originally posted by: Blunttelling you that you were smoking wacky backy too
ahhh back on topic at last
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Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: Tasty_waves
Well theyre wanting to reduce carbon emissions so these vaccinations are helping with that if people are getting seriously ill or dying.
That's right, they are using vaccinations to spread disease, and as a trojan horse for dangerous toxins in order to to kill and sterilise people.
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Judging from the population growth, 'they' are doing a pretty poor job, aren't they..?
I'm over this Roy - feel free to never be a patient of mine.
Aloha
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Originally posted by: dr_surfOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: Tasty_waves
Well theyre wanting to reduce carbon emissions so these vaccinations are helping with that if people are getting seriously ill or dying.
That's right, they are using vaccinations to spread disease, and as a trojan horse for dangerous toxins in order to to kill and sterilise people.
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Judging from the population growth, 'they' are doing a pretty poor job, aren't they..?
Aloha
The rate of population growth is diminishing, and will continue to do so.
Vaccines are contributing to this.
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so you would judge an entire group of people from the actions of one person? thats not very smart for someone who considers themselves a genius
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Originally posted by: Jabes
so you would judge an entire group of people from the actions of one person?
Of course not, and I did no such thing.
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Originally posted by: Jabes
so you would judge an entire group of people from the actions of one person? thats not very smart for someone who considers themselves a genius
I hope you straight with the pastor like this jabes? you heretic. But hey no need to get rarked ok jeez.
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Another horror story:
My friend Joseph as his tonsils removed in Tauranga a few years ago. The surgeon failed to notice that he was bleeding excessively, and he was dosed with morphine and left unatttended in a ward.
Joseph recalled that he noticed the huge amount of blood he was losing but was unable to move or call anyone because of the morphine.
Fortunately his mother who is a doctor visited to see how her only son was faring. She discovered that he had lost nearly half his blood. They managed to save him but if his mother had visited a little later he would have died.
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*edited 12 Sep 2010 17:01
Originally posted by: Roy_StewartHow come Roy? Too many shades of grey for your completely dichotomous RoyThink good/bad pro/anti brain to cope? Life is not black and white.
Hospitals are hell incarnate.
Life is Black and White, without black and white there would be no shades of grey.
Black hides by mixing itself with white.
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I try not to hide....
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all this talk of de-population by vaccines, not working too well is it.... breeding like rabbits everywhere... im investing in soylent green, its a winner!
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Be afraid Statik.
The Oracle of Putaruru has spoken.
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I would rather have access to a hsopital that gets it right most times...than no hospital at all.
Originally posted by: bionic chronic
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*edited 11 Sep 2010 11:37Originally posted by: Jabes
so you would judge an entire group of people from the actions of one person? thats not very smart for someone who considers themselves a genius
I hope you straight with the pastor like this jabes? you heretic. But hey no need to get rarked ok jeez.
yeah im pretty straight up with most people BC, you seem to be throwing the rarked word round alot lately with not really much to show for it.
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60 Minutes TV3 This Wed 7:30pm
Story on high dose Vitamin C again
Hope you have the broadband Seeka
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Be Content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you. lao tzu
just wanted to annoy you jabes. mission complete.
well played sir
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Jabes- I would like to see less turning of the other cheek, and more smitting...Less new testament and more old testament violence...and thats the probelm with sequels, they are never quite as good as the original.
.... I think you get the drift of where I am heding with this.... take up that slingshot son.
Mind you 2020, The Empire Strikes Back is a great film.
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...true.... but rocky 2?... jaws 2?... Grease 2 the list is terrifyingly long.
Originally posted by: 2020
Jabes- I would like to see less turning of the other cheek, and more smitting...Less new testament and more old testament violence...and thats the probelm with sequels, they are never quite as good as the original.
.... I think you get the drift of where I am heding with this.... take up that slingshot son.
Well said Lt 2020.
Technically speaking a sligshot is a Y shaped stick with elastic, the word you are wanting is 'sling'. . . a different and far greater weapon.
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*edited 13 Sep 2010 18:04
.... ahhh- indeed you are right, its shame it went out of vogue....like the battle axe, or siege engine- like Ford Prefects- you just don't see them around anymore sadly.
Originally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: 2020
Jabes- I would like to see less turning of the other cheek, and more smitting...Less new testament and more old testament violence...and thats the probelm with sequels, they are never quite as good as the original.
.... I think you get the drift of where I am heding with this.... take up that slingshot son.
Well said Lt 2020.
Technically speaking a sligshot is a Y shaped stick with elastic, the word you are wanting is 'sling'. . . a different and far greater weapon.
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From my understanding a sling has a lot more power and range but is harder than a slingshot to aim. So in a close quarter fight against squirrels the slingshot is your thing, but if you're up against an elephant at long range you'd better hope you have a fricken massive sling!
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: 2020
...true.... but rocky 2?... jaws 2?... Grease 2 the list is terrifyingly long.
Yeah but what about The Godfather 2, The Two Towers, Aliens, Back to the future 2, Magnum Force (Dirty Harry 2)... etc etc? I could keep going all night. Sharpen up 2020.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
Originally posted by: 2020
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.... ahhh- indeed you are right, its shame it went out of vogue....like the battle axe, or siege engine- like Ford Prefects- you just don't see them around anymore sadly.
Yeah but if David had had an AK47 he could have got the job done with a lot less hassle.
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I'm fricken schooling you tonight 2020.
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Commodore Spud, Second in command to the Commander in Chief of the Sub 1000 armed forces. Sub 1000 committee secretary. Possibly the head of the Sub 1000 Secret Police. Former Surf.Co Official Rark Judge.
are you mad that you could not make it out in the drink at all spud?
Originally posted by: SpudOriginally posted by: Roy_StewartOriginally posted by: 2020
Jabes- I would like to see less turning of the other cheek, and more smitting...Less new testament and more old testament violence...and thats the probelm with sequels, they are never quite as good as the original.
.... I think you get the drift of where I am heding with this.... take up that slingshot son.
Well said Lt 2020.
Technically speaking a sligshot is a Y shaped stick with elastic, the word you are wanting is 'sling'. . . a different and far greater weapon.
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From my understanding a sling has a lot more power and range but is harder than a slingshot to aim. So in a close quarter fight against squirrels the slingshot is your thing, but if you're up against an elephant at long range you'd better hope you have a fricken massive sling!
Yes but at close quarters against anything and/or everything, the sling becomes an admirable flail, rather like the traditional European women's weapon of the rock in a sock.
For trench warfare however we advocate the spikey rock trolley:
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Hard copy BB scrap circa 1457
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stewart
Hard copy BB scrap circa 1457
The guy on the left... Ouch!
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